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z490m VS h470m for PC programming with I7


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A computer whose main purpose is surfing and programming. Lots of tabs together in Chrome. Interested in a powerful computer.
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Interested in I7 and no less.
 
Which is better to take a motherboard Z490M or Gigabyte H470M DS3H Assuming I do not mean OC or heavy games?
 
Processors:
Intel i7 10700 / 1200 Tray
Coolers for processors:
be quiet! CPU Cooling Pure Rock Slim
Motherboards:
Gigabyte H470M DS3H
Enclosures:
Antec VSK10 Case
Desktop PC Suppliers:
ANTEC 550W Neo Eco Classic TUF 80+ Bronze
Disks SSD:
Samsung 500GB 970 EVO Plus M.2
Memory: (I bought separately)
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDDR4 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) 3000MHz (PC4 24000) CL16
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Based on the boards you have selected, I guess you are looking at KSP. If I'm right then in my opinion the most profitable board for you to buy is the MSI MAG B460M MORTAR LGA1200 which costs 565 shekels. The differences between H4

Need to check, I did not follow Intel boards. If I have time tomorrow evening or the day after tomorrow I will try to check. Maybe someone else knows how to recommend. What is the budget about?

In this price range from the selection in Plonter, it seems to me that the most affordable board is the TUF-GAMING-H470-PRO https://www.plonter.co.il/detail.tmpl?sku=TUF-GAMING-H470-PRO&cart=1605804594687871478

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The Z490 board will allow you to run the memories at full speed but with these memories it does not really matter anything, You anyway will not be able to do with this processor. In my personal opinion the power supply system of the two boards you have chosen is not really suitable for an 8 core processor, it will work but you probably will not be able to get the full performance from the processor.

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Can not resist, better .

 

And to the very question, to the board There is no advantage for you. As long as you get from your board all the ports and ports you need then I would go for the cheaper one.

 

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In my personal opinion the power supply system of the two boards you have chosen is not really suitable for an 8 core processor, it will work but you probably will not be able to get the full performance from the processor.

 

Worth checking it out.

The real concern is actually thermal throttle, I actually believe most likely these boards are fine but I am not familiar with their reviews.

One should try to find a review of the boards or go for something else that has received a positive review.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Z490 board will allow you to run the memories at full speed but with these memories it does not really matter anything, Overclock You anyway will not be able to do with this processor. In my personal opinion the power supply system of the two boards you have chosen is not really suitable for an 8 core processor, it will work but you probably will not be able to get the full performance from the processor.

Because I took 3000 MHz? No significant difference? 

 

How many W need?

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Can not resist, better AMD.

 

And to the very question, to the board Z490 There is no advantage for you. As long as you get from your board all the ports and ports you need then I would go for the cheaper one.

 

 

Worth checking it out.

The real concern is actually thermal throttle, I actually believe most likely these boards are fine but I am not familiar with their reviews.

One should try to find a review of the boards or go for something else that has received a positive review.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding the - I know : ) But it's going to be hard to get me out of this. : )

 

Thanks!

In short, I understand going on the h470 ..

 

How much does W cost?

 

 

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In my personal opinion the power supply system of the two boards you have chosen is not really suitable for an 8 core processor, it will work but you probably will not be able to get the full performance from the processor.

 

It does not matter how many cores there are but what is the thermal envelope of the processor. And nowadays the thermal envelope of an 8-core processor is not very high.

According to their specifications, the boards also support processors with higher TDP, and with a larger number of cores, so it is not clear to me what the basis for this claim is.

 

Gigabyte is a long-standing, reliable, and serious manufacturer. If according to their specifications the board supports any processor (without "asterisks" and without anything), then it supports its stable and standard work.

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It does not matter how many cores there are but what is the thermal envelope of the processor. And nowadays the thermal envelope of an 8-core processor is not very high.

According to their specifications, the boards also support processors with higher TDP, and with a larger number of cores, so it is not clear to me what the basis for this claim is.

 

Just a quick glance their VRM looks pretty poor (I haven't checked in depth)

 

There are boards that also in stock come to thermal throttle, so it is not unreasonable to see such a VRM and doubt the manufacturer's claim.

 

Specific about GIGABYTE Z490M I did not see a review but I did see that GIGABYTE UD Which has a slightly more successful VRM, reaches 80 degrees at a TDP of 125 and runs at 4400MHz, which is perfectly fine and within the specification but boards with a more successful VRM can run with a higher TDP so the processor can also run at a higher frequency. This is in my opinion etal's intention when he said he will not get the full performance that the processor is capable of giving and in my opinion there is a reasonable chance that he is right.

 

 

 

 

 

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Based on the boards you have selected, I guess you are looking at KSP.

 

If I'm right then in my opinion the board that pays you the most is to buy it at all

MSI MAG B460M MORTAR LGA1200

Which costs NIS 565.

 

The differences between the H470 and B460 are quite minor

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/201841/intel-b460-chipset.html

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/201835/intel-h470-chipset.html

 

And conclude mainly in the USB 3.2 Gen 2 port that anyway according to what I checked does not exist in the gigabyte.

 

Relying on tests Steve did

You will see the comparison between the For a gigabyte (which is a more successful VRM board than the gigabit you chose)

In the same TDP e Runs more than 10 degrees less.

And if the limit of the TDP is lowered then e Runs the CPU at 4800 instead of 4400.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZe_VC4i3wk&t=442s

 

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You probably have not been following how in recent years  Plays with the settings of the thermal shell. It's true that officially it's a 65w processor but officially the only thing Intel promises at this power is a speed of 2.90 GHz. I estimate that the board will indeed meet this minimum, but this is not the performance that those who buy an i7 expect.

 

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How much does W cost?

You did not understand, the intention was not that you need a stronger power supply but that you should choose Which has a better stabilization system and power supply.

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Based on the boards you have selected, I guess you are looking at KSP.

 

If I'm right then in my opinion the board that pays you the most is to buy it at all

MSI MAG B460M MORTAR LGA1200

Which costs NIS 565.

 

The differences between the H470 and B460 are quite minor

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/201841/intel-b460-chipset.html

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/201835/intel-h470-chipset.html

 

And conclude mainly in the USB 3.2 Gen 2 port that anyway according to what I checked does not exist in the gigabyte.

 

Relying on tests Steve did

You will see the comparison between the MSI For a gigabyte (which is a more successful VRM board than the gigabit you chose)

In the same TDP e MSI Runs more than 10 degrees less.

And if the limit of the TDP is lowered then e MSI Runs the CPU at 4800 instead of 4400.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZe_VC4i3wk&t=442s

 

image.png.601acde09f40236534d64f9debfb2110.png

 

 

 

 

 

I'm currently building it in Polenter. Do not want to buy in KSP.

The problem with the Which has no DVI and I want it for an old screen. (Although I need to check if the monitor supports DP threading and then the problem may be dismissed).
Are there any more recommended boards? Precisely from I expected a good board from them.

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@ Ido.G

You probably have not been following how in recent years  Intel Plays with the settings of the thermal shell. It's true that officially it's a 65w processor but officially the only thing Intel promises at this power is a speed of 2.90 GHz. I estimate that the board will indeed meet this minimum, but this is not the performance that those who buy an i7 expect.

 

You did not understand, the intention was not that you need a stronger power supply but that you should choose Motherboard Which has a better stabilization system and power supply.

 

Ahh. True, I thought the intention was to provide ..

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Accept your claims, and indeed I was wrong. It is probably better to take a better board (at least in terms of configuration \ The VRM).

 

Offhand remark:

Admittedly in my opinion the processors of Priced well, but the issue of boards makes building an Intel-based system unaffordable in my opinion.

The system is based There are not bad boards at all in the area of ​​450 - 600 NIS.

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I'm currently building it in Polenter. Do not want to buy in KSP.

The problem with the MSI Which has no DVI and I want it for an old screen. (Although I need to check if the monitor supports DP threading and then the problem may be dismissed).
Are there any more recommended boards? Precisely from GIGABYTE I expected a good board from them.

 

The DVI port is already a pretty old port, I expect to find it on less recommended budget boards.

Besides the DVI port is not really an obstacle, you can always buy a cable To DVI.

 

 

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The DVI port is already a pretty old port, I expect to find it on less recommended budget boards.

Besides the DVI port is not really an obstacle, you can always buy a cable HDMI To DVI.

 

 

 

there is Other?

I see he does not exist in Polenter. (They have the bazooka that has no DP)

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