NIS 400 fine for theft by fraud in the amount of NIS 340 million - lucrative crime - current affairs and culture - HWzone Forums
adplus-dvertising
Skip to content
  • Create an account
  • About Us

    Hello Guest!

     
    Please note - in order to participate in our community, comment and open new discussions, you must join as a registered member.

    Our members enjoy many advantages, including the ability to participate in discussions, enjoy raffles and promotions for members of the site, and receive our weekly content directly by email.

    Do not like being harassed by email? You can register for the site but do not submit your registration to the weekly email updates.

NIS 400 fine for theft by fraud in the amount of NIS 340 million - a lucrative crime


Kfir
 Share

Recommended Posts

https://www.mako.co.il/news-law/2021_q1/Article-3ec44a88f68d771027.htm

 

Businessman Amir Bramley sentenced to 10 years in prison: "Cheated investors"

Bramley was convicted of fraud and theft of money totaling NIS 340 million from his investors • In addition to the prison sentence, the Tel Aviv District Court fined him NIS 400 • The lawyer who handled the case:

 
The person who smuggled money to the whole world will live on interest 
Sat in a comfortable prison for 8 years and will be released for good behavior 
And went out to live like King 
 
During the trial he tried to blackmail the judge's son at his trial 
 
 
The genius prosecutor - claims "the sentence handed down is significant and expresses a strict attitude towards investor fraud in the capital market"
Scary to think what is an insignificant penalty of NIS 340 million?
Will the defendant bring a cake for Friday for Shabbat?
The defendant will pay NIS 1000 in installments for the rest of his life 
The defendant will write on the board 1000 times not stealing 340 million NIS (laughing at the stupidity)
 
Punishment should be at least all the money he stole that he returned + monetary compensation that he would pay all his life to the people he stole + prison 
 For they will see and be afraid 
 
Simple crime account pays off 
 
Edited By Kfir
Link to content
Share on other sites

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure there's a misunderstanding here about punishment. He received 10 years in prison and a fine of 400 shekels, which he must pay to the state. This is beyond what he has to pay to the victims.

Once convicted of a criminal lawsuit the victims can sue him in a civil lawsuit, in which they win "automatically" because his loss in the criminal lawsuit serves as proof of their justification, and get their money back with interest and linkage. This is at least the theory: apparently the money is not in his possession and therefore he cannot return it even if he wants to.

He was not convicted of theft but of fraud - in other words, he took money from them to invest in "safe" channels and instead spent it on risky and failed investments. The money he pocketed is probably a fraction of what he actually took from his victims. Although probably the people who cheated will not see their money back, until the court finishes with him he will lose all his property and drown in debts for the rest of his life.

By the way, a person who has smuggled money to the whole world and the tax authorities have caught him, will not be able to touch the money in life - once he tries to withdraw the money you can torpedo it and take it from him. Contrary to what is seen in movies, there are very few places in the world today where you can really hide from the law. What would he do: flee to the jungles of Colombia and live in a hut? He will have to operate on a cash basis because he will not be able to withdraw money from the bank and no one will give him a credit card. Is it possible to buy a house in bills today? car? A flight ticket to the jungles of Colombia? These are the things you do before you are caught, when you still have access to money.

If he had the opportunity to escape he would have done so before the conviction and imprisonment.

Link to content
Share on other sites

Released (Edited)
a quote

After he has been convicted in a criminal lawsuit the victims can sue him in a civil lawsuit, in which they win "automatically" because of his loss in the lawsuit

There is no such thing as an automatic claim 

And it is not possible to sue him directly because he is an employee who works for a limited liability company that is the mouthpiece of the term ltd.
This means that there are no guarantees from the firm owners for the firm's funds or losses!
 

And because the company is in financial difficulties and has closed you can not sue no one will not respond to the lawsuit and no money can be taken because there is no company or guarantee for the company and there is no money.

 

Therefore it is not possible to get a worn penny from this company! Because the company went bankrupt.

 

a quote

 Although probably the people who cheated will not see their money back, until the court finishes with him he will lose all his property and drown in debts for the rest of his life.

Here you are claiming that they will not get their money back 

No one will invest another million NIS with a lawyer who does not know where the money is?

And he lives in rent 

 

a quote

By the way, a person who has smuggled money to the whole world and the tax authorities have caught him, will not be able to touch the money in life - once he tries to withdraw the money you can torpedo it and take it from him. 

Who claimed he could not touch the money?

The money has been transferred to different places in the world, will you prove whose money?

Can always tell a story I paid my debt to a company in prison, and I honestly earned that money in investments 

Will you prove where the money in the US or France is embezzlement money?

Who will chase him after jail? To see where he gets the money from?

No country has a permit to persecute a person who is found guilty and ask him where all the NIS comes from, especially not in the free world!

Especially in another country.
 

a quote

 

 Contrary to what is seen in movies, there are very few places in the world today where you can really hide from the law.

 

 

 

Are you sure ?

Ask the banks in Israel what happened when Leumi branches opened in the United States and how they laundered money 

Until US authorities demanded billions from them 
https://www.calcalist.co.il/markets/articles/0,7340,L-3648477,00.html


 

a quote

 

What would he do: flee to the jungles of Colombia and live in a hut? He will have to operate on a cash basis because he will not be able to withdraw money from the bank and no one will give him a credit card. 

 

 

 

You still do not understand the nature of the results of the total lawsuit for the payment of 400,000 NIS + prison 

He does not yet have any claims and payment arrangements because it became a limited liability company that went bankrupt, the burden of proof on the defendants who put their money with him for investment.
And if they prove what will help them there is no company or money for the company.

He does not have to hide in the jungle and he will receive a credit card from any bank (because he did not go bankrupt the company that ran yes, it is two different business entities)

 

After 7 years there is a statute of limitations! 

 

Edited By Kfir
Link to content
Share on other sites

Quote of Kfir

There is no such thing as an automatic claim 

And it is not possible to sue him directly because he is an employee who works for a limited liability company that is the mouthpiece of the term ltd.
This means that there are no guarantees from the firm owners for the firm's funds or losses!
 

And because the company is in financial difficulties and has closed you can not sue no one will not respond to the lawsuit and no money can be taken because there is no company or guarantee for the company and there is no money.

 

Therefore it is not possible to get a worn penny from this company! Because the company went bankrupt.

 

Here you are claiming that they will not get their money back 

No one will invest another million NIS with a lawyer who does not know where the money is?

And he lives in rent 

 

Who claimed he could not touch the money?

The money has been transferred to different places in the world, will you prove whose money?

Can always tell a story I paid my debt to a company in prison, and I honestly earned that money in investments 

Will you prove where the money in the US or France is embezzlement money?

Who will chase him after jail? To see where he gets the money from?

No country has a permit to persecute a person who is found guilty and ask him where all the NIS comes from, especially not in the free world!

Especially in another country.
 

Are you sure ?

Ask the banks in Israel what happened when Leumi branches opened in the United States and how they laundered money 

Until US authorities demanded billions from them 
https://www.calcalist.co.il/markets/articles/0,7340,L-3648477,00.html


 

You still do not understand the nature of the results of the total lawsuit for the payment of 400,000 NIS + prison 

He does not yet have any claims and payment arrangements because it became a limited liability company that went bankrupt, the burden of proof on the defendants who put their money with him for investment.
And if they prove what will help them there is no company or money for the company.

He does not have to hide in the jungle and he will receive a credit card from any bank (because he did not go bankrupt the company that ran yes, it is two different business entities)

 

After 7 years there is a statute of limitations! 

 

The word "automatic" was in quotes for a reason: it is clear that no prosecution is automatic, but once convicted of a criminal offense the very conviction is proof for the civil prosecution. His chances of being eligible for such a lawsuit are low.

As for the victims' money, I said they would not get it all back, but they would get something. You do not need a super expensive lawyer for a lawsuit of this type, and they can be incorporated and sue jointly while sharing expenses and income (in any case when there are multiple claims in the same matter). Usually consolidation of cases).

The victims can certainly sue him personally and not just the bankrupt company. The legal screen of a limited company is not valid when the owner or controlling shareholder Knowingly deceived through the company. The fact that he was personally convicted indicates that the court was already convinced that such a fraud had taken place, and therefore it also serves as a reference for raising the legal screen to sue in person.

As for the "persecution" you are talking about: I do not mean something malicious and illegal. Assuming he sues a citizen, loses and is required to pay some high sum of money, the executioner will confiscate every penny he can lay his hand on until his money runs out or until the amount is paid. If he is unable to pay the amount in full, which is likely to happen given the circumstances and the fact that the amount will be plus slaughter interest, he will have to undergo a capability investigation in which he is required to prove that the money does not exist. In this investigation, they will try to locate "hidden" funds, possibly with the help of private investigators (if there is a reasonable suspicion that he is actually raising significant sums) and take everything they find. And if that is still not enough, he will have to go bankrupt, which is an unpleasant situation in which the state will take all the money, salary, etc. except for a small living allowance and impose all sorts of restrictions on him, such as a ban on leaving the country, bank account restrictions, etc. After some time in this situation (if the money has not been returned) judges tend to feel sorry for the bankrupt and close the case, but such a person who got into his situation due to criminal fraud will not get the dismissal easily.

The example you gave of claims between banks is unrelated and ancient. Today there are anti-money laundering laws in most western countries (partly because of cases like the one you brought), and they will definitely be asked where the money comes from if he tries to put a large amount of cash into the banking system. Money laundering, which means turning money obtained through illegal means into legal money where you can buy things, is a complicated and expensive process. If you suddenly "make" large sums of money you can not "claim" that you earned it in any way: you have to prove where the money came from or endure the wrath of the authorities. In 2021 with the electronic and technological means, the authorities have become quite good at discovering such funds.

Regarding obsolescence: it is unrelated. The statute of limitations means that if you have committed an offense and have not acted against you for a certain period of time (depending on the offense) then it is impossible to start acting against you. In this case they acted, judged and punished, and therefore the statute of limitations is irrelevant. If you're talking about the relatively new law that says financial information about you "resets" after seven years, then you are unfortunately a little innocent. Banks and credit companies have Long, and they use a law that says that "the granting of credit is at the sole discretion of the bank" in a liberal manner. I saw up close (not my personal experience, thank God) what happened to someone who quarreled with a bank and tried after many years to open an account there. The bank refused, even though it was blatantly illegal. He turned to another bank and received another refusal. After the second refusal he threatened to apply to the Supervisor of Banks, and then they agreed to open an account for him, but to this day (years later) he does not receive a credit line or a non-debit credit card. Public systems may "forget" about bankruptcy, but internal banking systems remember forever.

Link to content
Share on other sites

Released (Edited)
a quote

Once convicted of a criminal offense the very conviction is proof for the civil prosecution. His chances of being eligible for such a lawsuit are low.

Again wrong, you are not suing the person, you are suing the company as a separate legal entity 

What civil lawsuit?

The company went bankrupt, there is no money, no protection 

Even if they win and win millions, there is no way to back up.

 

a quote

As for the victims' money, I said they would not get it all back, but they would get something. You do not need a super expensive lawyer for a lawsuit of this type, and they can be incorporated and sue jointly while sharing expenses and income (in any case when there are multiple claims in the same matter). Usually consolidation of cases).

Again wrong, you are not suing the person, you are suing the company as a separate legal entity 

What civil lawsuit?

The company went bankrupt, there is no money, no protection 

Even if they win and win millions, there is no way to back up.

 

Oh really, which lawyer will sue? He has no option to get money?


 

a quote

 

The victims can certainly sue him personally and not just the bankrupt company. The legal screen of a limited company is not valid when the owner or controlling shareholder Knowingly deceived through the company. The fact that he was personally convicted indicates that the court was already convinced that such a fraud had taken place, and therefore it also serves as a reference for raising the legal screen to sue in person.

 

 

 

In the case of a personal lawsuit against the firm's executives, you can look up and look for insights that will prove there was criminal negligence against its owner 

This is not an easy story to prove, because what is criminal negligence?

After all, this is an investment company and every investment has a risk.

 

And in the end will get nothing 

There were lawsuits that the principal said I have no money I live with my parents and for hundreds of millions he stole - paid 2000 NIS a month in repayment and even less 

 

a quote

The executioner will confiscate every shekel he can lay his hand on until his money runs out or until the amount is paid. If he is unable to pay the amount in full, which is likely to happen given the circumstances and the fact that the amount will be plus slaughter interest, he will have to undergo a capability investigation in which he is required to prove that the money does not exist.

The man has been in jail for 10 years 

He cleared his name of any property 

What investigations will he go through? You should after you win the trial for execution and look for property of the defendant 

Only search expenses will cost more because the money is abroad 

 

 If he has no money to pay anything even 10% interest per month will give you zero NIS refund 

There is no investigation to prove that the money does not exist 

Even before the trial the state won they did not conduct a capacity investigation 

7 years of obsolescence = 7 years of obsolescence (after 10 years in prison who will look?)

 

a quote

He will have to undergo a capability investigation in which he is required to prove that the money does not exist. In this investigation, they will try to locate "hidden" funds, possibly with the help of private investigators (if there is a reasonable suspicion that he is actually raising significant sums) and take everything they find. And if that still is not enough he will have to go bankrupt

We do not live in a state regime without a law 

You can not take a person for interrogation to look for money that can not be found that has been stolen (if there is no information in the books)

He stood trial and received a sentence (the investigation in the trial was done)

Found no hidden money other than a vehicle he bought, flights abroad and other such insignificant things 

 

Who will fund private investigators with hundreds of thousands of NIS? + Expense account?

Money Overseas, Buy Bitcoin You Look For An Online Wallet Or USB 

 

The police will not investigate a civil matter 

 


 

a quote

 

The state will take all the money, salary, etc. except for a small living allowance and impose all kinds of restrictions on him, such as a ban on leaving the country, restrictions on a bank account, etc.. After a while in this situation (if the money is not returned) judges tend to feel sorry for a mountain raiderWave and close the case, but such a person who got into his situation due to a criminal fraud will not get the dismissal easily.

 

 

 

 

What money?

What salary? The man was sentenced to 10 years in the state and you will pay for his stay in prison at a cost of NIS 400,000 who paid a fine 
And after 10 years will move to another country, you can not arrest a person by force for life 

 

He has already received an exemption from court regarding money 

 

a quote

The example you gave of claims between banks is unrelated and ancient. Today there are anti-money laundering laws in most Western countries (partly because of cases like the case you brought), 

Wrong again 

There have been laws for many years on money laundering 
It's not that they suddenly invented a law in the US against Bank Leumi, they passed an existing law.

And no one suddenly invented laws on tax offenses because he heard there were some in Bank Leumi 

From 2015 is it ancient?


 

a quote

 

 And they will definitely ask him where the money comes from if he tries to put a large amount of cash into the banking system. Money laundering, that is, turning money obtained through illegal means into legal money where you can buy things, is a complicated and expensive process. If you suddenly "make" money

 

 

 

Who will ask him another 10 years after jail?

Who will chase the money?

After Nazis criminals did not chase like some individuals individuals who sought revenge at all costs 

Who will look for you in a foreign country?

Even in Israel, Bitcoin will sell online and live under a different name 

 

 

a quote

You have to prove where the money came from or endure the wrath of the authorities. BashGiven 2021 with the electronic and technological means, the authorities have become quite good at discovering funds of this kind.

Again the statute of limitations 

Invested in a new business, and recorded income, the state is not interested, it receives taxes 

Or moving to another country 

Lives in a different identity 
Living in another's apartment, you will prove 


 

a quote

 

Regarding obsolescence: it is unrelated. The statute of limitations means that if you have committed an offense and have not acted against you for a certain period of time (depending on the offense) then it is not possible to start acting against you. In this case they acted, judged and punished, and therefore the statute of limitations is irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

In Israel, the statute of limitations is 7 years for all transfers except murder 

And no murder was committed here 

This is the law - you are a killer and you have to be special 

The man was punished and given jail time 

And therefore statute of limitations is relevant 

 

Even if the creditors who invested NIS XNUMX million each sue together, only legal expenses will cost more than any NIS he has 

No attorney will take such a case 

The money went 

If there is no civil lawsuit you will not be able to embitter his life 

That is, you will pay money to embitter his life without getting money from him 

 

 

a quote

 If you're talking about the relatively new law that says financial information about you "resets" after seven years, then you are unfortunately a little innocent. Banks and credit companies have Long, and they use a law that says that "the granting of credit is at the sole discretion of the bank" in a liberal manner.

You are mixing rules that have nothing to do with anything here 

This is a bankrupt company and not a financial information for a credit card 

come on 

 

What does innocence have to do with it? Read my answer, everything is wrong with you 

What do banks have to do with a bankrupt company?

Two different business entities The director of the firm is one legal entity 

And the business that bankrupted another legal entity 

 

You can hold millions and a diamond credit card even if your company goes bankrupt 

So that he can hold credit for any need 

And Max will sell Bitcoin, which does not go through state credit

 

Where do you see a court forbidding you to keep an account or a digestive burden on your money? 
In terms of court and final sentence, a fine of 400,000 NIS the rest of your fantasies 

 

a quote

I saw up close (not my personal experience, thank God) what happened to someone who quarreled with a bank and tried after many years to open an account there. The bank refused, 

What does this have to do with this case?

Every day there are people who do not want to give them credit in the bank for all sorts of reasons 

Then ?

 

The person did not receive a penalty that he is not allowed to open a bank account 

The person received only a penalty of paying NIS 400,000 + imprisonment 

You are constantly inventing civil lawsuits that were not and are not on the agenda.

You are an inventor who will be sought after all his life 

And all this is not true!

 

a quote

Public systems may "forget" about bankruptcy, but internal banking systems remember forever.

Really read all my answers because you do not understand basic concepts in bankruptcy 

You do not understand separate entities 

You do not understand that the penalty is given 400,000 NIS to be paid (because it is pennies for him)

There is no civil lawsuit 

No further punishment 

There are no other restrictions 

 

The bank may not punish a person without a trial (this is a law)

State-wise he has paid the 400,000 he has paid his debt definitively, to the state.

Edited By Kfir
Link to content
Share on other sites

Join the discussion

You can then join the discussion and then join our community. If you already have an account with us, please Log in now To comment under your username.
Note that: The comment will appear to the surfers after approval by the board management team.

guest
Add a comment

×   The content pasted is with formatting.   Remove formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically assimilated.   Show as regular link

×   Your previous content has been automatically restored.   Clear all

×   You can not paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Latest news

  • Buzz-Zone: Everything hot on the net

×
  • Create new ...

At the top of the news:

new on the site