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Poll: What do you think of Mac computers? (Regardless of price)


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B. In Win98 you can freely run a large number of applications in parallel, almost always without locking. In OS9, on the other hand, I have to wait and wait when I do simple actions until finally the control goes to the next application, Cooperative Multitasking in its ugliest face - just like Win3.11 and in some cases even worse.

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I do not know which Mac you used ... At this very moment as I write, I render in LiteWave, a video processor, working with Access via virtual physical (you have to make a living ... when will Windows be emulated for the Macawas 9?) And ... . And all this with Cooperative ... Just think how it will work with X. I'd love to send a screenshot.

Trust me, from experience, it will not go with 98 ...

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I worked (and I work) more than enough with Mac, much to my relief not exclusively. What makes the user interface so bad you can read a great variety of points I brought in this discussion and others, Incidentally, at the tip of the iceberg - I can add many more examples.

The things I liked about the Mac, on the other hand, can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

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Well, what to do. All the interface and human engineering experts prefer the Mac interface. You do not. Your right.

I'm happy to have Shofar Minimize, even though I'm totally happy with the Kolapas Windus.

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Do not spoil what I wrote, even in windows no one "must" learn dos. All I wrote is: "Every Poweruser will have to learn Unix to really get the most out of the system", can you claim that it is not true?

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Okay, as someone who has been working with Unix for many years (more than ten) I have not found one command that can not be executed through the system if you log on root. Do you have any examples?

Yes I occasionally go to the terminal and many times it's more convenient for me (old habits ...)

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Forgetting just a little detail, there is no same speed PC clock processors, unless you compare Celeron to G4 ...

And if you mention the ZD, you may have forgotten the comparison of PC Magazine a month ago, in which HP Vectra driven the Pentium 4-2GHz in the G4 867Mhz, in every possible test. Meanwhile, the faster AthlonXP has been released. Life is beautiful when you're on x86 ...

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Well, that's ridiculous. Really cool. RISC technology is much better and Intel is starting to fall off the token and they are incorporating things from there. How many people do you know have 2GHz P?

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The question is not whether the expensive models of the Mac can be upgraded (and do not make me laugh if you set up your iMac as an upgrade ...), the question is what the selection is and what the costs

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AMIC can upgrade memory, disk, graphics card (3dfx) and even processor. It's not who knows convenient and the possibilities are not big enough but it's still more than a hundred pesos whose target audience is similar (I know I purchased a few hundred)

Besides, it's worth checking out, you wrote that you can not upgrade at all ... ("An independent upgrade of the computer is also outside the lexicon of course.") Did you write that because you have no idea or because it suited you to the theory?

About a company called NVIDIA Have you heard?

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There's no problem, except that you'll have to pay the pants for it ...

I personally know a graphic artist who has had to reset her Wacom tablet because the ADB adapter for USB costs a fortune.

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Shorts?? fortune?? Tell me you know what you're talking about ?? Have you done minimal market research? These are very small sums.

Jump to http://www.usbgear.com

On the other hand, you tell me that every physical user can buy a Firewire card, so where is the difference?

I've installed a lot of Scozzy cards on my life. Let's not start with that ... I've also installed some new ones and have not encountered any problems.

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If you are forced to lie to illuminate the In a positive, happy light.

Here is the opening trio for 2000, in reality, not in my dreams:

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I'm talking about technological patents that have changed the way the world of computing works today, from digital printing through selected parts of the graphic interface, from print to editing Digital camera that all the photography companies have agreed to, and you talk to me about numbers.

Okay, let's give me the patents of the companies you mentioned that changed the way I work. For every patent you give (and I doubt you'll find it ...) I'll give you ten. how is it?

And I'm not even talking about technologies that Apple adopted first and the whole market followed. But if you have little knowledge about the history of the computer world, you probably know what I'm talking about.

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Text input support is the first thing you need in an operating system. Unfortunately, Mac users in the country are thrown into the corner fund, especially in the case of OS X.

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Interestingly, the three largest newspapers in Israel, as well as most printing houses, publishing houses and graphics, somehow get along with textual input in Hebrew. Wizards Ah?

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You're probably hard of understanding and understanding ... The comparison was between Linux and MacOS from Apple for all its ailments. Beyond that, Linux for PPC is a curiosity. Do you know anyone who actually uses it?

If you look closely, you'll see that this step-by-step system is nothing more than a reverse engineering display.

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I'm hard of perception and understanding? You do not even understand what you wrote (! ...) You've put Linux between the operating systems of the physical and thus demonstrating ignorance. Thousands of people and thousands of servers are based on PPC working with Linux. Not only on Apple's computers but also on IBM's ppc stations. But do not let the facts get in the way.

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So what? Have it on, It does not have the Mac (the Dock only looks good, its functionality is much less, and OS9 has nothing to offer about it).

By the way, today NeXT are no more than a collectors item, so I would not put them into discussion. Unless you want to reminisce - like Xerox invented the graphics interface and not Apple ...

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Only someone here wrote that this was something the Windus brought into the world. Factually this is simply not true.

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Actually it is possible, but not as convenient as on PC. The fact is that in OS X Apple has already copied the method of

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So when you wrote that you did not know or did the facts interfere with your theory? Again, uncomfortable is a personal and relative matter.

Let's really go in to those who copied what from ... Believe me you do not want to get there.

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I do not know how long you've been working with Mac, but MacOS (including OS9) just does not have!

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Again you talk about facts and write nonsense. You wrote that there is no undo to rename and this is absolute nonsense. True, Windus had an advantage so far.

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Again you're joking, tomorrow I'll give you a variety of examples (I'm glad Mac has a radius of a few good miles).

And about scribbling, about VBscript you hear? What about Perl? Come on how many Mac users in the country in general have heard of AppleScript?

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Say you really compare AppleScript to vbscript and Perl? What is the connection? You're totally confusing concepts ...

Windows does not have anything integral to AppleScript's flexibility. (point)

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Sure, it's interesting why all the Macs insist on working with Apple's terrible mice? Maybe that's as-and-so-saw the ad's From "84" ("Think different"), there was something hypnotic about it, something that makes the L-word think the same!

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The truth? Most of the Macs I know work with a two-button mouse or more or with a trackball. I work with Optic's Tax. Think different ?? From 84 '?? I'm sorry for you, brother. And, by definition, anyone who works with Mac thinks differently. Most people who buy physical do it because that's what their friends or work have. Those who purchase Mac usually know why.

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The most successful plug-n-play is BeOS, with about five and a half supported hardware devices ...

It seems that the limited amount of hardware that is supported on a particular platform means that you will see Sony For example ... Apple the right way!

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Well, that's really unnecessary. This indicates more than anything else the (non-understanding) and (lack) of knowledge of those who wrote them.

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Maybe you'll read the whole discussion and not just the first message? I prove the opposite, domain after domain, after domain.

It will not hurt you to read the rest of the forum discussions. Of course you are welcome to respond

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I think I've already answered that. From my experience, 9 despite all its faults, is more stable, faster and more intuitive, easier to use, works much better by connecting devices (now say there are no longer any problems with Irakos on 98 or something disconnected). I guess (almost certainly) that my experience with pesos is superior to yours with Macs.

And it actually seems that you're the one who ignored a few points.

In conclusion, each system has advantages and disadvantages. All in all, everyone uses what works for them. The fact is that Mac users know the other side much better (what to do, the necessity of the circumstances ...) However, most physical users have not seen It is never a pity that they lose an option. It's always good to have a choice.

This argument is rather hopeless. After all, we will not convince each other. For each user I would recommend being exposed to several operating systems and make his decision.

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At these very moments as I write, I render in Whitewave, processing , Works with Access via virtual physical (you have to make a living ... when will Windows be emulating XAUMS?) And ... Sidi burner. And all this with Cooperative ... Just think how it will work with X. I'd love to send a screenshot.

Screenshot will not help, you know why? Because in OS9 it is indeed possible to raise some At the same time, the problem is that they do not give even a distant illusion of parallel running, because the processing time goes on to the next plan only when the first decides to give it up. Like any cooperative, the end is known.

This incidentally is a familiar phenomenon to anyone who works on , Your actions may seem impressive to the observer, but not to those familiar with the situation on the ground. How about uploading a short video of your wonder to FTP?  :P

And believe me, from experience, כל Multi-application works much better in Win98 than in OS9. Not to mention the evil joke of manual setting of allocation Mac, how good it was that Apple got all the brains on OS X and also copied this feature from Windus, but it took them a few good years ...

Well, what to do. All the interface and human engineering experts prefer the Mac interface. You do not. Your right.

I'm happy to have Shofar Minimize, even though I'm absolutely happy with the Colaps .

As long as you do not bring links from objectivity interviews that show it, these "experts" remain your imagination.

I think I brought a variety of arguments that show exactly where the Mac UI has failed.

As someone who pretends to work a lot against Windows, you probably noticed yourself as a superior Explorer across the Finder. It is more flexible, including a convenient toolbar (which is much more sophisticated and configurable than its copy experience in OS X), the Explorer is fast to maneuver and much more detailed and clear. Every time I see Mekist trying to play with the size of the columns in the List view I get pity for him, in Explorer you can arrange it immediately and simply by the keyboard.

Also, filling out forms is a job that requires a lot more mouse work in the Mac (pressing Tab moves between text fields, but not between buttons ...::)).

By the way, what do you think about changing settings without the Cancel, Apply and OK buttons? Is that also true human engineering?

I suggest that you read the rest of my explanations from the first page and also check the new Finder in OS X and then see how many things were copied directly from Explorer.

Okay, as someone who has been working with Unix for many years (more than ten) I have not found one command that can not be executed through the system if you log on root. Do you have any examples?

It's a little silly to explain to someone who pretends to be an administrator with a Unix background on the capabilities of the CLI and no GUI ...

If you insist, you can start with I / O routers, Wildcards and all the hundreds of commands that exist in Unix. If you claim that Apple has done a graphic implementation for everyone then you are really living in a world of imagination. To be honest, I would be very surprised if you find me a way to do a simple ping through the GUI, not to mention more complex things ...

And if you're already mentioning the ZD, maybe you forgot the comparison of PC Magazine (from Ziff Davis) a month ago, Vectra prevents the Pentium 4 - 2GHz the G4 867Mhz, in every possible test. Meanwhile, the faster AthlonXP has been released. Life is beautiful when you're on ...

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Well, that's ridiculous. Really cool. RISC technology is much better and Intel is starting to fall off the token and they are incorporating things from there. How many people do you know have 2GHz P?

Pentium 4 has mostly suckers (it costs almost as much as G4 processors), normal people buy - is also much cheaper than Intel and faster. The AthlonXP, which arrives in Israel for another week, is the fastest processor in the world for personal computers. point.

And for your knowledge of his current version there are very many. Ask in this forum and you will see.

AMIC can be upgraded , Disk, graphics card (3dfx) and even a processor. It's not who knows convenient and the possibilities are not big enough but it's still more than a hundred pesos whose target audience is similar (I know I purchased a few hundred)

Besides, it's worth checking out, you wrote that you can not upgrade at all ... ("An independent upgrade of the computer is also outside the lexicon of course.") Did you write that because you have no idea or because it suited you to the theory?

About a company named Have you heard?

Tell me, have you ever opened an iMac? Have you ever tried to upgrade your memory? After you try, you will understand why it is "outside the lexicon."

On the other hand, I understand from your words that You've upgraded. You'll agree with me that it's simple and to the point, just like playing a LEGO. And this is also the case with The simplest and cheapest. A trifling matter ...

Shorts?? fortune?? Tell me you know what you're talking about ?? Have you done minimal market research? These are very small sums.

Jump to http://www.usbgear.com

For adapter The ADB was poor, demanded $ 150 at the time, and that was the price of more than one dealer. OK, so today this adapter costs overseas $ 60 (also an exaggerated amount) it no longer helps her, she was forced to remember to purchase and upgrade items on the computer.

These mad sums would not have passed through the world., There is strong competition and difficult to exploit us : nono:

On the other hand, you tell me that every physical user can buy a Firewire card, so where is the difference?

I mentioned this to cool your flames, Firewire is a very limited marketing success in the meantime. in every circumstance. The few that need to be bought, or they'll use scizzy, USB2.0 or anything else. B- There is a huge selection and prices are fair.

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I've installed a lot of Scozzy cards on my life. Let's not start with that ... I've also installed some new ones and have not encountered any problems.

Yes, I heard these legends that there are no problems.

By the way, only today I installed on the OS9.2.1 the Codewarrior and in the middle of the boot I got the following message (with the icon of the bomb, no less and no more):

Sorry, a system error occured.

"Apple Audio Extension" address error

To temporarily turn off extensions, restart and hold down the shift key.

> Restart

These fairy tales that come up with "no problem" are simply stories of grandma!

I'm talking about technological patents that have changed the way the world of computing works today, from digital printing through selected parts of the graphic interface, from print to editing Digital camera that all the photography companies have agreed to, and you talk to me about numbers.

You wrote that Apple is the number one patent, and then revealed the sad truth and you try to change the story ...::)

If you're lying try to do it with a bit more sophistication ...

Okay, let's give me the patents of the companies you mentioned that changed the way I work. For every patent you give (and I doubt you'll find it ...) I'll give you ten. how is it?

And I'm not even talking about technologies that Apple adopted first and the whole market followed. But if you have little knowledge about the history of the computer world, you probably know what I'm talking about.

Let's take the first company on the list I brought, and you'll see exactly how it changed the way you work.

I must but add first to compare the immense impact of IBM to that of It bordered on opacity.

Apple is not only a small dwarf in the amount of its zero patents, but a company whose influence is dwarfed by , The company in H-the knowledge that created the technological world you know today.

You realize that IBM invented it Hard disk Already in the 50? Show me one invention of Which affected the world like this. RAID is also an invention of And a large part of data storage technologies have been controlled for decades by their development centers. (The exception is the CD, but Apple also had no hand in its development).

Something else ...PC, PC, Is also a product of IBM, its impact on the whole world (whether in business or at home) is dozens of times higher than that of computers .

You also do not really mean to compare systems like AIX or AS / 400 to Mac ... If you already have, try the OS / 2 that provided a modern, powerful and convenient system to the desktop nearly a decade ago . Despite its technological superiority against inferior systems such as Win3.11 and MacOS, it did not grasp the market share it deserved, but it is a matter of marketing and not of capability.

Another example - all the databases you know today work according to principles developed by IBM, which you may know As tabular data bases. And with all due respect to the marketing impact of On the DTP world, databases fill a much broader and significant need that encompasses all aspects of life. Incidentally, I say "marketing" because the software itself was created by other companies - Adobe, Quark and others.

RISC processors That you are so praiseworthy, are also an invention of , I do not know exactly what the patent number of this architecture, you are welcome to search among their patents 30000 ...

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You wrote a few more things and I'll comment on them later on.

In the meantime, I wanted to remind you that in my first response to your remarks I answered each of the points you raised, however you avoided many others that appeared after the first announcement in the discussion and other important things raised in the few discussions on this forum.

So before I continue with any further comment on any of the things that remained (and there were quite a few inaccuracies and distortions of the truth), here is a very superficial reminder of some of the things you chose to ignore:

Mac with inferior hardware costs more than twice as much as a PC with a larger screen, more memory, two discs in RAID0 in one place, a faster processor, a much higher quality sound card and a stable and convenient operating system that perfectly supports Hebrew.

The price difference and the specifications will be discussed mp; num = 1002209634 '> this.

Why did not you respond to ATI's choice of cards (a single Mac video card, seven different PC cards, including the fantastic AIW8500DV)?

And what do you think of the choice of hardware for Mac and their cost compared to PC?

You did not write what you think about the limited selection of games and that the little that is available comes out on average about a year after the launch to PC.

By the way, it should be added that all the heavy games falter on Mac compared to how they run on PC. You can complain that video card manufacturers focus on PC and that Mac-supported cards do not get driver updates frequently (if at all). You can also regret that Apple does not have the resources Microsoft has to invest in developing new features and optimizing the ... The bottom line remains the same- And gaming is a lame combination. I know this, you know it and will not expect any change in the foreseeable future. Tough.

What about In Hebrew? Yes, how good it is to have VirtualPC when you need to work (your words ...).

A little more about prices - did you know that even fonts for Mac are more visible than exactly the same fonts for PC? This situation also continues with other software such as bookkeeping (zero selection and prices in the sky).

For some reason, you did not respond to the results of the survey on the "stability" of the Mac, or John Kramak's input on the subject.

It's worth adding that your arguments about OS X are pretty meaningless, nobody really uses it and if you read in other forums (like ORT) you'll see that there's consensus among the participants that when they really want to work (and not just admire the design) they all boot to OS9 .

Normal support in Hebrew seems even further away, enough to read what the software makers write about this system.

And I have another little anecdote that I did not write about on the subject of "work comfort" in Mac. I encountered a super-annoying phenomenon working under OS X. When I do a click on a file created on OS9, this very unwise system brings me the Classic just to open the File, since the file association in Mac goes according to Creator, in other words, the program that created the file.

To which of the Who does not understand what this is about, is a clearer analogy:

Imagine that you are working on Win2k and want to open a ZIP file created in Win98. Instead of using Winzip installed in Win2k, it will reboot and reboot into Win98 in a window ... all this is just to open a ZIP file.

This is exactly what happens to me when I want to open an OS X SIT archive created in Stuffit's OS9 in DoubleClick. I have to wait about a minute or so until I am able to perform such a simple operation. Crazy, is not it? There'll probably be some smart makist to tell me I need to check who created the file before I run it ...

I answered in my first response to each of the points that you raised and I would be happy to continue, but I think the minimum you can do is respond to the other messages and things I raised. This evasion is simply anathema to me.

I assure you that once you deal with this, you will receive a detailed and reasoned response to the few points remaining from what you have raised in your last two posts. Believe me I have a lot to say, the era of illusions is over.

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I will try to answer briefly,

I would be happy to upload a video wherever you want of Mac at the same time as a CD burner, running a QuickTime video, a renderer ... you can ask for more ... Believe me from experience, in a similar situation a computer with 98 goes crazy. Would you be willing to give us some details about the Mac you use?

In nt, the situation is different.

The memory allocation copied from windows ?? Second, I have to wipe away the tears of laughter ... Maybe you'll tell me your age, what is your background and what is your experience? After all, the next step is to say that Unis is also a copy of Windows ...

Memory Management in Vidus 98 is a primitive joke that is based quite a lot on parameters from DOS ... I recommend you read some professional literature on memory management.

Also on the topic ui is not lacking in professional literature. I do not have anything specific about me right now. However, all the points you raise are important. It is clear that each system has advantages and disadvantages. Equally, each user has preferences in the way he or she works. After all, it was Apple that brought the gui to the world of the PC. Bill Gates will first admit that he copied many things from the Mac interface.

As for Unix, I'm talking about the average user (who can do anything xXUMX or more on x) and you talk to me about something that most users do not even know they want. Anyone who has worked all his life in Mac and is satisfied with his options will not suddenly have to "learn Unix." You argued that compared to 9, in x it is necessary to move to the terminal for certain purposes. It's just not true.

We're talking about speed , We are talking about a continuous and endless race. Meanwhile, according to Adobe, there is still no PC running Photoshop faster than Mac.

I added Mac. From your words, you're sure not. More than that, my mother (really) added a memory to the Mac ... you do not need a screwdriver ... you do not have to "open the iMac" all you need is a coin with which you can open a tiny door in which the slots ...

The question is if did you ever open Gee 3 Blue White or 4 G? There is no more convenient chassis in the world to upgrade. nothing.

On the other hand, I guess I do not have to tell you about enough physical cases that over the years have caused so many difficulties to upgradeers, and there is no argument that in recent years there has been a significant improvement in physical packaging, including some welcome imitations of the 3 and the 4.

In the United States, the price of such an adapter has never reached the same amount, even when the first ones have come out (and I bought some for an old score that I wanted to connect to new computers.) The price is quite similar to the physical adapters.

For many years, physical equipment was much cheaper than Mac equipment. Always compare that spare parts can be found everywhere, there is competition and prices are similar, however, spare parts for the Jaguar are more expensive and the supply is much limited. I'm sure you'll disapprove of the analogy and say it's stupid and unrelated, but people who preferred to invest their money and buy more expensive hardware did it for exactly the same reason - they think the Mac is far superior to the physical ... With this fact, it's hard to argue.

The situation has changed in recent years. One word (good three words) . Today there is a large supply of hardware, and it is basically the same hardware at the same price that physical users buy ... There are many more keyboards, mice, printers, scanners, joysticks, cameras ... Understand the principle.

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We will continue ...

Fairway's success is limited? Man, where are you living? Every company that manufactures digital video cameras has embraced the technology enthusiastically, including Sony, Canon, JVC and more ... The success is so great that Apple won the "Emmy" award for her invention, which according to the prize-makers created a revolution. By the way, this is the first time that the award has been awarded to a technological product. As for prices, again, the situation today is no longer as you describe - the same USB2 pci card you buy, I can also buy (there is no need for drivers ...) We can also work with the same devices exactly.

You did not hear me say that "Mac has no problem." Every system has problems.

Again, I'm talking about >> technological patents that have changed the PC. The vast majority of the patents of the companies you mentioned are not related to the personal computer. Most of them are not connected to computers at all ...

The first PC came from home But why let the facts interfere with the theory.

The ppc was developed by ibm, And Motorola (aim)

The title of the topic states that the comparison here is not related to price. True, supply and price are problematic in Mac (but as I already wrote, the Changed the situation very significantly). But, again, people who prefer to pay more, do so for their own reasons, just as a person who buys a more expensive car does so for his own reasons. They probably think it's worth the money. The very fact that they know what it is And willing to pay for it, saying they know what they are doing (in their view, of course). After all, the exposure to the physical is immeasurably great and every person is exposed to it at school, at work, with the neighbor / friend, etc ...

True, games have a huge gap in favor of physical (in my opinion, it is the strongest side compared to the physical advantage). Since the launch of AMIC, there has been a great improvement but not enough. There are quite a few leading games going on both platforms at the same time, but it's certainly not enough.

As for performance, with which you work? With which 3D card? My experience shows the opposite ... especially in heavy games, which look better and run faster on the Mac.

Well, there is not In Hebrew, this is a conspicuous disadvantage, but as stated, all the newspapers, printing houses, publishing houses and graphics somehow manage to communicate with Hebrew in the ... I personally do not mind (I get along very well with Hebrew solutions, inferior to those of the Windows, Mac) Hebrew words that come from physical on the foreign rose (change font and copying to the nessus - not who knows what is effective but not who knows what is terrible) Of course I can send documents in Hebrew to rtf.

Again, with all of the above, Hebrew support does not say much about the superiority of the system as an operating system.

As for physical virtual, among all the subjects you evaded, you did not answer the question of when will the physical emulator be 9? I'm very happy with the vpc and it's fast enough for games that do not have a Mac (of course not very heavy games and not as fast, but for example Monkey Island 3, which is the only one in the series that did not reach the Mac, runs fantastically under the emulator).

Stability depends on many things, such as extensions, certain software, etc. For every article you give me I can give an article from someone whose experience is different. Both 9 and 98 have stability problems. My problem with 98 is that the problem is bigger (and I did not even talk about support.) As someone who provides support for both platforms, there are many more problems with physical problems.

X as a new and revolutionary system, there are problems as expected. The problem you are describing here is resolved in 10.1 and right now all the files I've checked that can open in x do, including sit.

I answered all the issues, one by one.

In conclusion, again, each system has advantages and disadvantages. We can argue forever but eventually each user will make his own considerations. It's a shame that the vast majority of users have not even been exposed to the alternative (any alternative).

Let me end the argument here, he has already taken precious time away from me and because I have a little to do, separate as friends.

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Let me end the argument here, he has already taken precious time away from me and because I have a little to do, separate as friends.

I have no problem for you to end the debate here, but I feel obligated to at least respond to what you wrote, including many distortions of the situation on the ground.

In my opinion, it is a moral obligation to inform those innocent users, such as many graphic design students, who buy the illusions that these blind idiots who favor the Mac sell them.

Since it takes a lot of time for me, I'll start with the upgrade issue and continue over the next few days with the rest of the points.

This hurd has already become difficult to maneuver with so many parallel subjects, so I open up a new one focused exactly in the interest of mp; num = 1003535675 '> Upgrade In iMac vs. Simple and cheap

To keep reading, I will try to separate the other topics into independent discussion boards.

Later,

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I'm sick!!

Until now I did not register but I just moved a little between the forums to be interested but you have exceeded any limit in your statement on the Mac !!!

Now I'll give you a dose, one by one!

As for the price, Stor's knowledge declined, (they store on NT) but there are very new powders and powders and Aymak starts at 799 dollars!

Here is a comparison I made between Average of Compaq and the iMac 500 MHz

Aimak Indigo

128MB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs

iMac 500MHz

30GB Ultra ATA drive

CD-ROM drive

10 / 100BASE-T Ethernet

56K internal modem

Two ports

Two FireWire ports

VGA video mirroring

Harman Kardon speakers

Pro Keyboard

Pro Mouse

Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X

849 includes VAT and shipping within two days at Apple USA

And IBM Netvista series M

 

1.6GHz Intel® Pentium® 4

 

128MB Non-Parity SDRAM

30GB

CD ROM

Intel PRO / 100 VE Ethernet w / Wake on LAN

16MB TNT2 Vanta

Price: 1139 dollars! (Sorry that's all the details that were there)

Notes: The Mac has 2 full operating systems, IBM includes 2000 and OEM Pro

* On 290 in the middle you can arrange a Fedex delivery to Israel + a complete system of Hebrew knowledge + keyboard With Hebrew.

* As of PC according to 3 processor, it does not interest anyone in Apple clock rotation of the processors :o

* The chassis of the IBM is very beautiful, shiny black, open it ... only in their labs, otherwise no one succeeds.

* Ram, Apple costs $ 50 unfairly because it is Regular targeting on PC

* For those who do not know Not even a little less firm than Apple.

* This IBM is not a workstation but a home Yun, like the IMC.

* Software that comes with , Just a misery

* With IMAC, IMOVIE and other excellent software are available .

* The iMac comes with the Mega 16 ATI and the PC comes with Mega 16 It does not matter at all.

And now another topic, upgrade At IMEC, I do it for you in less than a minute, G4 less than that.

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Now I'll give you a dose, one by one!

grandmother? it is you? ???

Oops, the Polish accent misled me for a moment ....; D

Knowledge Store went down, (they store on NT)

I think I know who their NT_Admin is ...; D

As far as we are concerned, we do mp; num = 1002209634 '> Another discussion in the forum about the price differences between To-, But since you wrote here, it is also the natural place of the reaction. (Is there a confirmation, Admin? ... ;))

Here is a comparison I made between Average of Compaq and the iMac 500 MHz

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I suggest you check again the "COMPAQ COMPAQ AVAILABLE" issue, conference Here And you will find the price you specified Compaq computer much stronger than the IMAC you offered and the link is to an Israeli store, there is no need for transatlantic delivery and international responsibility. By the way, I do not know where exactly you found the data you brought, I've now checked the site's And the iMac on 799 $ comes with 64MB And an 20GB hard drive.

Here are the differences:

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[*]B- Processor 1500MHz instead of 500MHz in Mac. So let's say the Pentium is not faster x3, we will compromise on "only" x2?

[*]B- Screen 17 INCH instead of 15 in Mac. I do not think anyone agrees to go back to 1994 now, even if it comes in color "Indigo" ...

[*] PC has four times more memory (256 MB instead of 64 in Mac - remember this well before you initialize OS X.) ary '> it)

[*] The PC has a much more powerful video card - jeephores instead of ATI Rage. I'm not talking about the advantage of the size of the memory of the jiffers, the source of the huge difference in its GPU. You're probably not a game, are you?

[*] The PC comes with a drive , Compared to the Mac that comes with a CD-ROM. At least it has software for editing ... ::)

[*] PC has dual hard disk size 40GB instead of 20GB Mac.

[*] The PC comes in a MIdi-ATX package and allows a simple and cheap upgrade to any component, the iMac comes in a designed lobby and allows ...: - / well, you have read about it already.

[*] PC has a normal mouse, with scroll and right button. There is no need to purchase one separately. Mac has their non-ergonomic mouse with a single button.

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Notes: The Mac has 2 full operating systems, IBM includes 2000 and OEM Pro

* On 290 in the middle you can arrange a Fedex delivery to Israel + a complete system of Hebrew knowledge + keyboard With Hebrew.

With 64MB you might be able to boot to OS X but nothing else ... and do not believe anyone to tell you anything else, read again  m-summary '> This article and you will understand what I am talking about.

As for Hebrew, go to the ORT and IOL forums and look for support ... you will find a lot of identification there: saint:

* As of PC according to 3 processor, it does not interest anyone in Apple clock rotation of the processors :o

It should be of great interest to you if you are working with graphic software, encoded Or DivX and is interested in the money you paid. By the way, the OS X has been mentioned? ;)

* The chassis of the IBM is very beautiful, shiny black, open it ... only in their labs, otherwise no one succeeds.

Irrelevant. The vendor I brought is completely standard and there is no problem upgrading it.

Beyond that, the whole idea of ​​introducing an example of a brand-computer is to speak your own language, the Macs. Who really wants to do the right thing, buys a computer store. Their cost / benefit ratio is even higher ...

The other things that you wrote are also irrelevant to Compaq above.

I guess you know that software is not really hard to find for PC. But if that's the last bastion you've got, enjoy it!

On the subject of upgrades in IMC in general and the subject of memory upgrade in particular mp; a

mp; num = 1003535675 '> this. I'd be glad to hear your opinion,

Prog.

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come on! I intentionally wrote 128 RAM and 849 $  > :(

Hebrew support, good ... with Net Hebrew I write from Ikeb now without Virtual PC !!!  :D

I am a server admin of , Stable as a tank.

I work at Gifka, I'm interested in Bass, not Kluck.

Come to me one day I promise you will have fun, we'll show you what a Hebrew net is, you can put a timer that in less than a minute I add 128 rams to my iMac, then I can shut everyone up: - *

An annoying mouse for Allah, Walla! Quality price ... : Lol:

Your grandmother, not me. The grandmother of a friend of mine daughter 75 added לאימק: smoke:

i rest my case : bash:

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Two small clarifications:

1. The mouse of He's a great mouse (you're probably talking about the old round that was really a scandal - but his story proves that Apple really listens to users and improves what needs to be improved.) Another example is OS X. There's no other company that listens to users, just note the difference between the beta and the final version - Almost all of the changes came from user requests in the 10.1, which continued to improve. in fact It is the only company that sells computers with an optical mouse as standard. If you want two buttons, a pulley, a trek-stamp, etc., you do not lack options ...

2. OS X runs fantastic, for those who do not need to use the classic - and there are those, with 64MB.

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come on! I intentionally wrote 128 RAM and 849 $  > :(

Of course, then the PC "only" according to 2 Not 4::)

It's interesting that Apple sells an addition Of 128 Mega in 100 $ and in Israel you can buy the same quantity for Less than 100 NIS.

You do not mind paying more than 4 And more to get More slow? Yes, 100MHz instead of 133MHz on-.

Hebrew support, good ... with Net Hebrew I write from Ikeb now without Virtual PC !!!  :D

Come on ... we all read in the ORT forum that this browser does not properly support CSS and JavaScript and will not be redirected to OS X, at least until further notice - that is a long time. In the meantime, I'm working with WindowsXP in full Hebrew and with immeasurably greater stability than your OS9 (or do you deny the gap stably?)

I am a server admin of , Stable as a tank.

Mac server? With OS9? On what hardware? I promise you will get better performance with FreeBSD (which does not cost a penny) and a computer Cheaper than your Mac (whatever it is).

I work at Gifka, I'm interested in Bass, not Kluck.

My friend, it will not do you any harm to learn the subject before you write such a superficial and inaccurate statement.

And I put it gently, I have no interest in going down to the style of NT_Admin, even in the face of such a claim. Trust me, and start reading some articles on Anandtech.com and Tomshardware.com

By the way, if this was the case, then the Pentium 4 the slowest (1.3GHz-400MHz Front Side BUS), was fast-paced 3 Mac G4-867.

You can set a timer that in less than a minute I add 128 rams to my iMac, then I can shut everyone up: -

Your grandmother, not me. The grandmother of a friend of mine daughter 75 added a memory to the Aymac: smoke:

Do yourself a favor and read the discussion. The 32 is a step-by-step upgrade to the original AMIC memory. The model you have improved the situation, but the rest of the upgrades remained ... Continue mp; a

mp; num = 1003535675 '> In the appropriate discussion!

i rest my case : bash:

Wait a moment! You know that memory is only one component of a computer ( A big advantage), you forgot to answer about the difference in the rest of the components. Here's a reminder:

In PC processor 1500MHz instead of 500MHz in Mac. So suppose the Pentium is no faster x3, we will compromise on "only" x2?

On PC 17 INCH screen instead of 15 in Mac. I do not think anyone agrees to go back to 1994 now, even if it comes in color "Indigo" ...

The PC has a much more powerful video card - Gifors instead of ATI Rage. I'm not talking about the advantage of the size of the memory of the jiffers, the source of the huge difference in its GPU. You're probably not a game, are you?

The PC comes with a drive , Compared to the Mac that comes with a CD-ROM. At least it has software for editing ...

The PC has a double hard disk size 40GB instead of the 20GB Mac.

The PC comes in a MIdi-ATX package and allows a simple and cheap upgrade for any component, the iMac comes in a designed lobby and allows ... well, you have read about it already.

The PC has a normal mouse, with a scroll and a right button. There is no need to purchase one separately. Mac has their non-ergonomic mouse with a single button.

We'll go to Admin,

1. The mouse of He's a great mouse (you're probably talking about the old round that was really a scandal - but his story proves that Apple is really listening to users and improving what needs to be improved.

I also work with the new mouse (Pro) and it's really not ergonomic. Beautifully designed, but at the expense of functionality.

No one has an oval hand ...

Another example is OS X. There is no other company that listens like that to users. Just note the difference between the beta and the final version - almost all the changes came from requests from users. In the 10.1 that continued to improve. It's a shame that MS does not listen like that).

I do not see where there is such a difference between companies - take the process from WindowsNT4 to , Do you really think that MicroSpot lives in a bubble, where do you think the changes came from? Can you prove that there is a fundamental difference between the companies in this field?

I agree that in OS X there are a lot of changes between the two versions, it just shows how much they have released a half-cooked product.

In contrast, Makes most of the features added with the release of each new system and then they release Service Packs that give improved performance, bug fixes and security issues, and sometimes new features (but not here the emphasis, and rightly so - without Feature Freeze you never get a truly stable and secure system)

You will agree that with the proven record of NT4 and Win2k you can be calm with WinXP. The updates will come in time, and nothing will be neglected - I do not think Microsoft has a shortage of resources or will make the situation different.

in fact It is the only company that sells computers with an optical mouse as standard. If you want two buttons, a pulley, a trek-stamp, etc., you do not lack options ...
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A. I'm not at all sure Apple is the only one, but I do not have the strength to switch between the different sites of all the computer companies. I will let you enjoy the doubt with this negligible detail.

B. You can obtain an optical mouse at the price difference between PC and Mac And someone who will activate it for you ...;

2. OS X runs fantastic, for those who do not need to use the classic - and there are those, with 64MB.

What a bullshit! From experience, even G4 with twice the quantity is not a "fantastic runner", not to mention the average AMIC.

Do you realize that your advice is bordering on negligence? Someone else will make a purchase of According to which ...

I suggest that you read the article again ary '> this and clear what is written there before you express yourself on the subject.

Prog.

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Well, I'm telling you that I have 3 computers with G4 / 500 computers with 64MB only, running OS X ... In "Fantastic Run" the question is also what the needs are. For the needs of this office is fine.

Of course they will be upgraded soon. , Like money, can not be too ...

In general, with the prices of memory today, it is worthwhile and desirable to put some That the computer can get.

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And the difference between For MS,

Have you heard me say something bad about XP?

In the meantime, what I saw (beta versions) is not a bad system at all.

The difference between the companies is that Apple has set up to receive offers from users, which received tens of thousands of inquiries, according to topics. Apple was not ashamed and changed many things following referrals.

I do not recall that Microsoft did an operation of this magnitude before publishing a particular product in a version (and I am a Microsoft subscriber)

When I spoke about the changes Apple made, I also meant changes from the beta to the first version, as well as changes from the first to 10.1.

By the way, I fully agree with the fact that OS X 10 was not a ready system when it came out. It was good for Apple to fix it quickly and for free.

Microsoft updates immigrants (and Will rise more and more pushing).

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