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Lior, of course you're right ... There is no comparison between them on a level ... No one thinks that there are those who think that there is a college equivalent to the Technion so it seems that it comforts itself ... Know people from colleges with grades 90 + in the first year who are not geniuses. .. However, anyone who studies in Hebrew prays to 80 for the first year ... but unfortunately you can not enter the university if you do not have a psychometric 700 + or maturity 110 ... So my question is what is the best alternative?

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I did not say that ..

To test that more than three-quarters of students fail - this is not called teaching. This is called a filter. (Incidentally, they do it deliberately).

Raise the bar of acceptance and not increase the faculties. Not called prestige, but *******. The percentage of students who dropped out did not change, even though the wave jumped up.

Since the blink jumped up, but the percentage of dropouts remained the same, I will conclude that the (parallel) does not necessarily indicate the student's ability to pass four years.

On the face of it, students today are smarter than their peers a few decades ago. Their grades in adulthood and in the psychometric exams are higher.

I do not think it's wise to teach a lot of material, which the student will teach, pass the test and half a year after the test (not to mention after a year or two) will forget everything, except the basics.

But that's me. What do I know already?

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^ It is much easier to reach adulthood with an average of 110 and NORTH than to an open 80 + in a transient channel.

Incidentally, at the Technion and Be'er Sheva, the demands are more on your real side and less on the average of matriculation exams. (I may be wrong).

My advice - raise a few tens of thousands of shekels and go to a private institute, such as Yoel Geva. The Academy has made itself into industry and you have to adapt yourself.

Or you will actually learn in the open, with a private tutor or something. (It's possible, but it's much easier to have a person who gives you a drop of personal attention).

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Keep in mind that the first positions are difficult to achieve if you are not a university graduate with good grades. If not, the smartest way is student jobs, even those that require university graduates.

Although there is work in the field, there are even more job seekers. As an initial screening, lots of places simply throw away resumes of students / graduates from colleges and even from universities like Ariel or Haifa. The level of the colleges is not always very low, but it is usually the case, and the graduates of Hebrew, Technion, Tel Aviv and Ben-Gurion have a proven level.

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I made a Pisko Buell and got a 630 (quantitative score not at all) 130 QTY ... Now I'm doing a turnover and finishing two weeks (a new program at Ben Gurion) If I take 140 quantitative then I complete 5 Y and go almost wherever I want .... If quantitative Not good so there is no situation that is postponed in another year .... That's why I think a step forward from now on to check for alternatives

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Okay, let's leave Ariel aside because she has other professions she specializes in and she's not known for engineering ... There are about 8 engineering colleges scattered all over the country ... one in the south, one in Jerusalem, one in the north, There are about 6 tracks such as software engineering, electricity, machinery, industrial management, pharmaceuticals, information systems, etc. As many colleges that were established solely to train engineers to market are not successful in their only job? True, but I'm really trying to understand that if their graduates do not fit into the market, why are the state subsidizing them? Go to them ...

Wow. "Do not succeed"? Who decided that exactly? Your statement is not an exaggeration, it is a big lie.

A healthy market is not based solely on global corporations and large companies. Fortunately for us, the Israeli market is relatively healthy. There are countless Israeli companies that do a good job and earn a lot of workers, including college graduates. I went to college andכל Anyone I know who studied with me has integrated into the market. Some are small companies, some are mediocrities, some are large and large (HP, Amdocs, El Al, IAI ...).

I will not start getting into the argument of whether a graduate of a university does not bring in a greater added value (apparently yes). But that does not mean a college graduate is completely worthless or almost completely.

The state has encouraged the establishment of colleges that have room for both colleges and universities. A university is a research-oriented institution, a college is a teaching institution. There is no reason to increase the number of people studying in the university and to burden them with teaching more when it is a research-oriented institution.

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Some students digest the material quickly and then vomit it.

What is good for a student who does not remember what he learned?

If I take all the graduates of the Technion in electricity, at the end of the year, and give them a linear test 1 or Infi. What percentage will be transferred?

How good it is for students to come and tell them, "You do not interest me." Or: "The test is beyond the material we have learned" and the like.

I'm not even talking about a cycle of tests between different dates and the various institutions.

So it seems that colleges are learning those who can "digest" less material. But who said it was bad?

In general, there is a deterioration in education, from elementary to academia itself. (And I have been hung here by a number of Nobel laureates who have said so).

All Nobel laureates in recent years have been warning about this and no one is referring to it.

What helps an engineer market from Sammy Shamoon College, with an 80 average, which earns less than 10 net?

Would not it be better to give him a chance (or even two) at the university?

Would not it be better if the colleges were sponsored by the universities? (Let's say that the Tel Aviv Academy was a degree division of Etta, Braude of Haifa, etc. It is not detached because I remember at first it was like that).

I made a Pisko Buell and got a 630 (quantitative score not at all) 130 QTY ... Now I'm doing a turnover and finishing two weeks (a new program at Ben Gurion) If I take 140 quantitative then I complete 5 Y and go almost wherever I want .... If quantitative Not good so there is no situation that is postponed in another year .... That's why I think a step forward from now on to check for alternatives

If this was your first psycho then try again.

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Do not give up and insist (especially with yourself) to study only at university / Technion !!

It's a lot harder than college and there's really no possibility of working during the first two years, but at the end it's worth it!

What I'll tell you now is from personal experience only:

1. If you want to study later in a degree such as system engineering, the only place you can do it is in college! The Technion branch that teaches this degree does not receive college graduates even if their average height is higher than that of a student who studied with me at the Technion.

2. in all Place a fact that you go to, look at where you learned (at least in the first jobs), and in a world where there is a huge supply of university engineers, the preference is clear.

3. If you want to travel abroad, for example, Canada, you will have to have the local institutions approve your degree, a degree taught at the college is not recognized in North America.

There are quite a few other reasons why "Yes" is a university and not a college, but I have noted the main ones.

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Lior, at the colleges, On average, Learn less intelligent people. I think calling it "can not" digest "material" is just laundered language. Of course it depends on which college in front of which university, what circle against which circle, which area and so on. But this is true on average. big time.

As for your claim to something, and so on, equally - I doubt that college graduates remember anything when they graduate. All the more so as the test is easier, you will remember less than what was needed to pass it - and not the other way around, I think this argument is not the most relevant, especially since the goal of studies is not to remember everything that taught you completely, but to know these tools, The ability to use them - and if necessary refresh your memory later, it is clear that you can not remember everything.

As for Nobel Prize winners, it's just bullshit. The fact that someone won the Nobel Prize has nothing to do with his ability to judge this issue.

As for Sami Shamoon, I am not clear on your claim. What is its value in the market? I do not know, I do not know the graduates of Sami Shimon. I think it's quite a tin place. But surely and certainly there is value to graduates of some of the other colleges in the market. The education and the tools they have acquired definitely contribute to the Israeli economy. For sure.

Would not it be better to give him a chance at the university? No, not necessarily. Not everyone has the ability to learn anywhere, and that's fine too. Beyond that, for that there is the Open University (and that's why it has it, that's its goal). If anyone wants to - take the opportunity and try.

Why should the colleges be "sponsored" by the university? The colleges are supervised by the Council for Higher Education, but the University has too many interests, and monopolies (whether regional or national) are unhealthy, or enough good people who studied in the best institutions in the world They do not need supervision, they know well enough what is needed, the main constraint is the human material they possess, not supervision of their kind.

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And what about the claim that the Kabbalah resin has risen, but the percentage of dropout students remains the same?

If the students became smarter, over the years, the percentage of dropouts would drop.

Raising the level from year to year

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