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An engineer with experience or an engineer without what is better?


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Thank you very much everyone I am probably a child on engineering studies which leaves the question where?

I'm debating between Afeka or HIT and I realized they are the leaders in the field and someone has personal experience or knowledge about one of them that he can share?

Of the two, Holon is preferred, in the manner most considered in this electrical engineering: Technion, Ben-Gurion and Tel Aviv.

At the same time I personally know people who finished Sami Shamoon and got along very well at work, it all depends on the end of your links, luck and connections.

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Without a degree or with your career engineers you will be very limited.

If you have a degree from one of the universities that are considered then it will give you points of credit with a lot of employers.

The point you need to think is not only whether you will be hired or not, but also what options and what jobs will be open to you.

There are places that do not hire people without a degree from a university.

Competition is tough and even with the most prestigious titles do not always find a quality workplace.

There are people who have done a degree in computer science and their first job in general is QA, it's a job you barely gain from practical experience of programming or not.

All of this has been accumulating over the years.

Your degree would not be considered so much, so you were accepted to QA or not so well considered, so your next job would not be so considered.

Compared to someone who has done a reputed degree, his first job was developing and is constantly growing in his career.

Of course there are also people without a degree who go far and people with degrees do not go far, it depends on many things but generally recommend a degree in engineering and if possible then the university is considered.

In addition to all this the university gives you the opportunity to learn things that you will not have the strength to learn on your own. It develops your thinking and it will accompany you throughout your career.

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it does not really matter. It's the egg and the chicken.

The higher the degree of college / university is considered as the demand for learning it increased, the higher the acceptance threshold is higher. There is no correlation between these data and the academic level.

It is always possible to throw on students more difficult exercises and tests to filter out the "weak".

And the more the degree, the more powerful or diligent students are trying to be accepted, and the higher level appears, because of the students studying not because of the university.

I assume that the big unveribrations are so overwhelming that even "strong" students can not get accepted and then when they get to college they raise the level of the college.

One must always remember that a large part of the prestige and level of the university is in fact thanks to the students who study there and not necessarily because of the university.

What will help you have a high academic level if students are lazy or weak?

(I did not notice it would go down a bit old, yet it was placed high)

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There have been several discussions about this: the prestige of the university is not measured by the first degree, but rather the number of studies / articles / awards / references of the second and third degrees.

The universities had to increase the faculties or open new ones, instead of helping to establish the colleges.

There are many cases in which the lecturers are the same professors, so the argument that the university can not do it is ridiculous.

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It is not true that university prestige is measured by research. Perhaps this is true in the academic aspect.

But the "thinking" of the university in the labor market is actually measured in the first degree because these are the people who go to work as engineers and do not stay to do higher degrees.

The fact that straight jobs give you points of credit or are immediately impressed that you have a bachelor's degree from a university is considered to show that they already know that the strongest students are those who pass the admission threshold and attend prestigious universities.

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Well, you'll see discussions here and in the orange, the consensus is unequivocally that universities are training better engineers (in general).

The fact that the lecturers are the same lecturers sometimes does not mean that the syllabus and the demands are the same.

Show me a college which has courses with an average of failing and that you can only dream about the factors.

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The average of failed is good. What does the student learn about?

By the way, I'm not saying that the universities are not good and that's just an opinion.

The universities should not have helped establish the colleges.

Take an engineer from Sami-Shimon College. Assume with an 85 / 90 average.

To whom is this good?

He will always be marked as less good and it is doubtful if he will find a proper job in his field.

The end result he spent 4 / 5 years of his life, a significant amount of money and at the end of the process he receives negative feedbacks. (And I am still).

Would not it be better for him to study at a university, would he really have a chance of becoming a good engineer and the money that the state would allocate to Sami-Shimon would go to Hebrew or the Technion?

Is it Necessarily Would lower the university level?

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It's a bit of a paradox to say that the universities are training better engineers ... The truth is that it's true, but it's not because the university made a huge effort to make it happen. It's just that the very fact that only the strongest candidates are admitted to the universities are probably not (even better) Or more qualified for the job).

So that the more college students take in stronger students, the better off college students will be.

The truth is not that simple, because if you are a strong student and everyone around you is weak then you will probably have to study at the rate of the weak, but if the average of the recipients improves, then the result will improve.

So I'm not such a catcher from the university. In fact, I kind of dislike the Technion at least, and it makes me laugh when the Technion prides itself on how successful its graduates are because it actually takes credit that it does not deserve for their success.

Not just graduates who graduated from the Technion's advanced degrees, and Esot Akizet from a successful start-up do not contribute a shekel back to the Technion.

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Before the colleges, for the weaker classes the only way (or almost only) for academic studies was the academic reserve.

Today, the colleges offer an opportunity for these classes, and also for those whose heads were not in the school for such and such reasons and it is a good thing!

I personally know brilliant college graduates who know the profession well, and university graduates (also Technion) idiots who did not understand anything in 4 years.

As a casual interviewer, I give college graduates an equal opportunity. I have often been pleasantly surprised by college graduates, and similarly I have been disappointed by great university graduates.

I even remember one case that in the end we chose a Sami Shamoon graduate over a Technion graduate ... Both were cannons, but the Technion graduate was arrogant and arrogant in his personality ... (I did not interview but I was a partner in the decision)

In general, it is true that a college graduate may find it difficult to find a suitable job, but the average work of an engineer is still preferable to manual labor of any kind.

And in second and third jobs, who remembers at all where you studied?

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