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Why are you denying the forum members ...? How do you know that all here are heretics? : bash:

Nonsense in the juice ...

Besides, I did not ask to be convinced, it's an open discussion ... you make arguments here and there ... it opens up an interest.

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Why are you denying the forum members ...? How do you know that all here are heretics? : bash:

Nonsense in the juice ...

Besides, I did not ask to be convinced, it's an open discussion ... you make arguments here and there ... it opens up an interest.

Deny Forum Members? Tell me where you saw it exactly?

There are no infidels here. Everyone loves what he wants.

Most of the members of the forum are secular and I am among them, and that was my intention, and there is no harm in that.

And as for your conviction, I understood from your reactions in this discussion, I was wrong.

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All the answers in the Kabala ...

http://www.kabbalah.co.il/

It has nothing to do with repentance and not infidels.

The problem is that most of you are quite intelligent to read scientific and innovative material and to provide quotes from great people in the field, but once you mention God and health, you enter a kind of defense.

The defense is in the form of rejection on the threshold of disqualification and ridicule without examining the main points of the matter.

Although science helps us in everyday life and explains various phenomena in nature (at least some of them), but its main points have been known for thousands of years, only in our arrogance (humankind) do we ignore the wisdom of our fathers and tend to think that we invent new things and wisdom in general.

Science has an important place in our lives, but it is not in the place of the "old Torah" nor does it contradict it. Both can live well side by side and science comes slowly and steadily to discover the knowledge that was already known as thousands of years ago. I know you'll think now I've taken a few puffs but I'm still saying that. You must have seen the matrix, think for a moment that you really live in a world like this - that is, not necessarily controlled by machines that take advantage of you, the ones we are enveloped in a sort of virtual envelope that we call reality (which can be seen and felt, And not really in the realm of our perception.

Just think for a moment about the fact that you can drink eagerly (and run later and tell the company) every "story of fiction" of Stephen Hawking's (actually) computer Although most of us probably do not have the tools to understand why and how he came to his insights, and his insights vary with Time, and new breakthroughs, while any mention of a story (or perhaps a fact) connected to Judaism immediately evokes the reaction of rejection and cancellation, just think about it a bit.

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It has nothing to do with repentance and not infidels.

The problem is that most of you are quite intelligent to read scientific and innovative material and to provide quotes from great people in the field, but once you mention God and health, you enter a kind of defense.

The defense is in the form of rejection on the threshold of disqualification and ridicule without examining the main points of the matter.

Although science helps us in everyday life and explains various phenomena in nature (at least some of them), but its main points have been known for thousands of years, only in our arrogance (humankind) do we ignore the wisdom of our fathers and tend to think that we invent new things and wisdom in general.

Science has an important place in our lives, but it is not in the place of the "old Torah" nor does it contradict it. Both can live well side by side and science comes slowly and steadily to discover the knowledge that was already known as thousands of years ago. I know you'll think now I've taken a few puffs but I'm still saying that. You must have seen the matrix, think for a moment that you really live in a world like this - that is, not necessarily controlled by machines that take advantage of you, the ones we are enveloped in a sort of virtual envelope that we call reality (which can be seen and felt, And not really in the realm of our perception.

Just think for a moment about the fact that you can drink eagerly (and run later and tell the company) every "story of fiction" of Stephen Hawking's (actually) computer Although most of us probably do not have the tools to understand why and how he came to his insights, and his insights vary with Time, and new breakthroughs, while any mention of a story (or perhaps a fact) connected to Judaism immediately evokes the reaction of rejection and cancellation, just think about it a bit.

Inconsistencies at its best.

How much fun to say things without paying attention to huh?

Science does not contradict the Torah? where do you live? I hope not on Earth because here everyone thinks differently.

Torah = total stupidity invented by people from 5 thousands of years ago because they had no answers. Between stupidity is also included in God.

Here and there they included the nonsense, and that was how the reception was born.

Science is a kind of thinking of people who have brains, and they do not rely blindly on what others are trying to push (answer "faith")

There is nothing scientific about science.

The only reason people are not willing to hear the words "God" you sell is because they are meant to convert opinions, and try to convince that there is something even if there is no proof that it exists.

By breaking the ice, you do not weaken it. You only increase the cold. (Try to figure out ... you're good at brainwashing)

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Just think for a moment about the fact that you can drink eagerly (and run later and tell the company) every "story of fiction" of Stephen Hawking's (actually) computer Although most of us probably do not have the tools to understand why and how he came to his insights, and his insights vary with Time and new breakthroughs. On the other hand, any mention of a story (or perhaps a fact) connected with Judaism immediately evokes the reaction of rejection and cancellation. Just think about it a bit.

Well, why did I write that?

After all, your arrogant and arrogant answer is exactly what I expected.

But to stay on (and try to be as consistent as you expect me to) - how do you know that there is nothing science related about Kabbalah? I suppose you do not know the whole theory of Kabbalah and probably not all science So how can you on a "scientific" basis say such a sentence?

Why did you say that "everyone" thinks differently here? Are you an official spokesperson of "everyone"?

How do you know that there are subatomic particles that no one can see / feel and usually do not measure - just because there are scientists who understand, say / prove that there is?

Invalidating own imperfection invalidates

Inconsistencies at its best.

How much fun to say things without paying attention to huh?

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Well, why did I write that?

After all, your arrogant and arrogant answer is exactly what I expected.

But to stay on (and try to be as consistent as you expect me to) - how do you know that there is nothing science related about Kabbalah? I suppose you do not know the whole theory of Kabbalah and probably not all science So how can you on a "scientific" basis say such a sentence?

Why did you say that "everyone" thinks differently here? Are you an official spokesperson of "everyone"?

How do you know that there are subatomic particles that no one can see / feel and usually do not measure - just because there are scientists who understand, say / prove that there is?

Invalidating own imperfection invalidates

Listen, I'm from first grade arguing with rabbis about religion.

First of all, I apologize if it was patronizing.

The most important thing I have to say:

Even though you think the Kabbalah has my say , And according to your path there is indeed, but according to my ways there is none.

explanation:

My words They are free information for everyone. Anyone can use and anyone can change.

The problem is that the religious people of all religions come and write this in their books in order to create a monopoly on personal God.

My words Come to give information to the reader. Information that should be wise. Information that should answer the question.

If 1 + 1 is the question, then science will say it is 2. Why? that's how it is.

Religious imports:

1 + 1 = 2, why? Because it is from God !!! Believe it otherwise you will have bad in the next world !!

-When do you know that it's from God ?? = Here! Come see this is written in the book !!

What is the connection between the book and God? = It is clear that his writer was divine, so it is from God! Believe it and now!

Sorry for the cynicism. But that's the situation.

You take well-known data, write it in a book, then jump on the bargain a few years later and say it's proof of religion, and divine reality.

If it was , So it was brainwashing.

Science is not supposed to make you wake up in the morning and pray for a chair.

Religion Yes.

Because of this, Kabbalah and Torah have no science On the cruise.

: bash: : bash:

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How do you know that there are subatomic particles that no one can see / feel and often do not measure? Just because there are scientists who understand,Have proved That?

exactly

It is true that it is not acceptable in religion to prove (in an experiment that meets scientific standards and not in numerology / skipping letters / stories with a nice moral) such and such things ... but by virtue of the proof - proof It's better than talking in the air.

Even if there is a Bible / Gemara / any other Jewish book Things that science knows they are true It does not really impress me ... Because what to do even before the 3000 year People were not retarded and in ancient Greece knew what it is pie and its approximation (why am I talking now The second is that some time ago someone posted in another forum that the rambam invented the pie and this is how he proves that there is a God anyway the principle is the same, after I told him that in ancient Greece, too, he knew what pie was. He started talking about it. In the Talmud they knew what a pie was ... My response was about: ": s05:: '( : kopfpatsch:: nixweiss: But only three messages before I said that even in ancient Greece they knew what pie was ... ")

Well, where were we?

Oh, yes, I wanted to give you a link. Why is this a scientific experiment? I'm going to look for a wiki. Do not run away!

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I agree with you that there are clerics who are actually missionaries and indeed create a negative image and opposition as you described.

I also understand your objection if you claim that in the first grade you argue with rabbis about religion.

In any case the idea is not that the given people write it in a book and then say it was written and it is from God. I hope you do not even believe it's so shallow.

Come and understand something, as I said already, science does not contradict the Torah (I will not use the term religion deliberately because it leads to other places) and vice versa.

Science helps us understand how much 1 + 1 is and write this discussion and of course in many areas of life.

But pay attention to what is happening in the world of the year 2006 compared to the world of our ancestors. Does advanced science have fewer wars? Do not people die or die less? Mountains are always popping new diseases and creative ways to die, road accidents, AIDS. . .

Are people more happy today? Is there less misery?

The answer of course is not. And worse, science has no answer to this and will not. Any disease that science finds medicine for will pop up differently. In essence what I am trying to say is that the Torah contains universal truth that you can if you wish to call it in scientific terms NMR or UMG

The science has not yet arrived, and if it does, it will be based on principles already known to the sages. There is the answer to the diseases of happiness and satisfaction and the way the universe in which we live. There is the information how to influence and change your life path or if you want to jump into a parallel universe and continue your life there on another space time. More information in movies revolving doors, Matrix, and some I do not remember - all written by people who visited the Kabbalah Center and drew from them the ideas that form the basis for science fiction films according to our perception.

As for the creation of the world, science explains to us that there was a point of time in which the bang was, but before it there is a uniqueness, something science can not explain. Why was there a drop of matter in the vacuum waiting for the explosion? Why did the bang happen? Who brought the material there. In order to understand and learn this, you do not have to have a beard and a skullcap only with an open mind and a little will.

With regard to data from Jewish sources - in my opinion there is a bit of pettiness in trying to show that someone wrote down so that he could later say here it is written.

I do not know about PI (Apples) Father In general there are many interesting data in the writings that are interpreted directly from the Torah and previous letters (Sefer Hayetzirah) that are not based on research and observation only on the written text

we'll continue tomorrow . . .

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http://www.kabbalah.co.il/

It has nothing to do with repentance and not infidels.

The problem is that most of you are quite intelligent to read scientific and innovative material and to provide quotes from great people in the field, but once you mention God and health, you enter a kind of defense.

The defense is in the form of rejection on the threshold of disqualification and ridicule without examining the main points of the matter.

Although science helps us in everyday life and explains various phenomena in nature (at least some of them), but its main points have been known for thousands of years, only in our arrogance (humankind) do we ignore the wisdom of our fathers and tend to think that we invent new things and wisdom in general.

Science has an important place in our lives, but it is not in the place of the "old Torah" nor does it contradict it. Both can live well side by side and science comes slowly and steadily to discover the knowledge that was already known as thousands of years ago. I know you'll think now I've taken a few puffs but I'm still saying that. You must have seen the matrix, think for a moment that you really live in a world like this - that is, not necessarily controlled by machines that take advantage of you, the ones we are enveloped in a sort of virtual envelope that we call reality (which can be seen and felt, And not really in the realm of our perception.

Just think for a moment about the fact that you can drink eagerly (and run later and tell the company) every "story of fiction" of Stephen Hawking's (actually) computer Although most of us probably do not have the tools to understand why and how he came to his insights, and his insights vary with Time, and new breakthroughs, while any mention of a story (or perhaps a fact) connected to Judaism immediately evokes the reaction of rejection and cancellation, just think about it a bit.

Is it not that there is a union of scientists who are making a case for us?

After all, everything is bolstered by colleagues for his work and a community of probably thousands of scientists like him, only he or others have proved, and managed to explain it to others.

In direct response to your post -

On the other hand, you can say the same thing about God, although science and Torah can work together [as long as there is a Torah commentator who manages to push some cover story - and that happens a lot.]

So wait, if not science, why God?

So if reality is really not our perception [and this is the main reason why we ask these questions] - we have a kind of last option, God of course, but again,

It must be due to the smallness of the human perception, we are probably not yet developed enough to absorb such things - let alone God, my brother is greater than me : xyxthumbs:

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I agree with you that there are clerics who are actually missionaries and indeed create a negative image and opposition as you described.

I also understand your objection if you claim that in the first grade you argue with rabbis about religion.

In any case the idea is not that the given people write it in a book and then say it was written and it is from God. I hope you do not even believe it's so shallow.

Come and understand something, as I said already, science does not contradict the Torah (I will not use the term religion deliberately because it leads to other places) and vice versa.

Science helps us understand how much 1 + 1 is and write this discussion and of course in many areas of life.

But pay attention to what is happening in the world of the year 2006 compared to the world of our ancestors. Does advanced science have fewer wars? Do not people die or die less? Mountains are always popping new diseases and creative ways to die, road accidents, AIDS. . .

Are people more happy today? Is there less misery?

The answer of course is not. And worse, science has no answer to this and will not. Any disease that science finds medicine for will pop up differently. In essence what I am trying to say is that the Torah contains universal truth that you can if you wish to call it in scientific terms NMR or UMG

The science has not yet arrived, and if it does, it will be based on principles already known to the sages. There is the answer to the diseases of happiness and satisfaction and the way the universe in which we live. There is the information how to influence and change your life path or if you want to jump into a parallel universe and continue your life there on another space time. More information in movies revolving doors, Matrix, and some I do not remember - all written by people who visited the Kabbalah Center and drew from them the ideas that form the basis for science fiction films according to our perception.

As for the creation of the world, science explains to us that there was a point of time in which the bang was, but before it there is a uniqueness, something science can not explain. Why was there a drop of matter in the vacuum waiting for the explosion? Why did the bang happen? Who brought the material there. In order to understand and learn this, you do not have to have a beard and a skullcap only with an open mind and a little will.

With regard to data from Jewish sources - in my opinion there is a bit of pettiness in trying to show that someone wrote down so that he could later say here it is written.

I do not know about PI (Apples) Father In general there are many interesting data in the writings that are interpreted directly from the Torah and previous letters (Sefer Hayetzirah) that are not based on research and observation only on the written text

we'll continue tomorrow . . .

Do not you get tired of this circuitry? : bash: : bash:

You're doing exactly what I said.

You claim to preach.

You try to show that because something is written in the Torah then there is a God.

You reply to my post => say you're not really that (icebreaker) => but actually do it in the worst way possible. : kopfpatsch:

There is no difference between you and a rabbi. You are both circular, demagogic, and do not notice yourself. Ah and there is also consistency. : s07:

stop that. : pissed: : pissed:

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Mashin, you're Haridofov : Silly:

Do not get mad just my friends, there's nothing ... to present an opinion or a thought, but pleasantly ... it's important for discussion. ;)

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As for the diseases, it would be nice if some Kabbalist came out and showed us all these healing charms ...

The supreme happiness or in other words this utopia.

Like ... Who exactly is guarding it? To the Messiah? : nixweiss:

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Mashin, you're Haridofov : Silly:

Do not get mad just my friends, there's nothing ... to present an opinion or a thought, but pleasantly ... it's important for discussion. ;)

שלום [חחח .. WTF ..] - Powered by vBulletin Remember Me?

As for the diseases, it would be nice if some Kabbalist came out and showed us all these healing charms ...

The supreme happiness or in other words this utopia.

Like ... Who exactly is guarding it? To the Messiah? : nixweiss:

Or, with such an answer I can face (preach according to k.machine).

So there is no magic and no miracles from Heaven. Everything is in our hands in our consciousness to change and shape reality (which, as we have already said, is a kind of illusion, remember Matrix).

We only have to break away from the anxiety and connect to ourselves, not to people with a long beard, not to a chair in these synagogues for our souls.

"God helps those who help themselves" and then we can deal with many situations that science can not explain and deal with them.

It is known that placebo drugs help to cure patients (scientifically proven), although there is no substance that is supposed to help a scientific patient.

Or there are cases where people recover from such impossible medical conditions as a medical conference - for example, those who eat cancer and miraculously overcome it without any residuals.

You do not have to get caught up in the matter of a man sitting in the sky if you have an iron fist and wait to get you in your head if you do not pray in the morning. God has a part in each of us (in His image) only need to know to connect to Him.

This is not to get angry and not to hate others because of opinions that are unacceptable to you (and love to love you like you - a great rule in the Torah)

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shlomom I like your reactions .. They are interesting, strengthen and enrich your knowledge :)

And k.machine you do not have to get angry, you can get and you can not get. It's about whether you want to learn or not or argue (this is also an option) ;)

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