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The surprising roadmap: AMD without new gaming cards for 2018?

Information coming from a notebook Contrary to previous reports on possible plans to launch Vega cards and Updated

While with NVIDIA, with or without delays that seem to be related to a large stock of cores that need to be sold as soon as possible, it's pretty clear that we're expecting a new generation of GeForce Reporting cards and an updated production process in the coming months - AMD's sequel plans are far less certain and clear. On the one hand we have received rumors of a third and upgraded Vega generation coming soon, and even the possibility of seeing the elaborate Vega 20 cores on gaming cards, but on the other hand we now encounter ASRock roadmap - where there is no news at least until February next year.

According to ASRock, the coming months are expected to provide us with a launch of updated Radeon RX 580 and Radeon RX 570 models, which will join the recently announced Vega 64 and Vega 56 models - but with no mention of additional graphics cards, both from the Radeon family RX Vega and the Radeon RX 500 / 600 series. The plans of this actress do not have to be the same as those of Itself, naturally, but this is nevertheless information that casts doubt on the previous predictions we received as long as the red chip developer continues to keep the cards close to the chest and avoid any official statements on the subject.

Roadmap of - Disappointment in the making, or maybe the juicy details really are just under the blank at the moment?

AMD's modern graphics cards helped it close a bit of the big gap it opened for itself In this market, it may be almost impossible to continue this trend without the launch of enhanced and competitive models - especially after the big competitor finally reveals to us what she has been working on for the past two and a half years since the launches The first.

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  1. Surprisingly, in one company there are two divisions so "contradictory":

    The one that changes the rules of the game and creates competition, and the second that continues to be dragged and failed, which provides inferior products at absurd prices.

    I would expect them to succeed (even if only a little for starters) to pass on their excellence (organizational culture or whatever you call it)

    From the processor field to the graphics processor division, even if there is no direct technological connection between the two.

    Meanwhile, the gap between these two divisions seems to be widening.

  2. Not surprisingly, what can you expect from a company that has already issued 5 card series based on the same architecture.

    She just doesn't have any cards up her sleeve. Although a vega architecture is quite successful, betting on HBM2 memory was simply a mistake.

    Its tickets perform less well at higher prices and I don't see them closing the gap in the foreseeable range.

  3. It's better for them like this.
    To focus on what is good.
    The GPU market for the PC will be a third priority for them, long after the CPU in which they are making a significant change and the world of consoles they control.
    It's not good for us. But they are a business company and do not owe us anything just as we do not owe them.
    long live NV hegemony

  4. Do not think it's black and white. They do not give good enough competition because of their delay, their decisions.

    If we ignore this moment, by the way and I am the first to justify buying NV today because of the reasons above .. So in short,

    Let's go back to a card like 580 or 480 with a third party cooler .. They are no better than 1060. Yes there are advantages / disadvantages

    Any choice - but in the mid-market AMD competitive in performance.

    If anyone today is considering buying 1060 or 580, which ignores everything .. (Upcoming launches, prices, etc., etc.) I would recommend

    It has an 580 against the 1060. It is somewhere - a competition for us.

  5. If you ignore the price, then there is no discussion at all.
    And to buy a product so that there is some chance for the company to produce for you this competition is a poor consumer decision.
    You put into consideration a "Maybe someday A. B. J. will justify my hope that I chose the product."
    In my opinion this is not a good basis for the average consumer to buy on unless you are interested in being disappointed

  6. What does that mean ? Are you talking about competition? 1060 vs. 580 Who is more lucrative today? In my opinion - 580.

    That I said "let's ignore" meant both companies. Beyond the late AMD, 480 has always given Fate to 1060.

    In those layers - this is my point, it's a pity that people look at black and white and say - Yala, no, that's how they are

    Don't keep up with NV, because that's partially true.

  7. Omer,

    I agree with Coch's opinion in this case and even easily:

    Since the two tickets (GTX1060 and RX580) are equivalent cards in the playing field and the GTX1060 has no advantage

    Heads down in his favor, when RX580 even has another 2 gigabyte (8GB vs only 6GB that GTX1060 has)…

    When (currently) RX580 can be obtained at a cheap price to only $ 259 from Amazon, which is translated in NIS Final price includes shipping

    And VAT until we are home in Israel for only NIS 1140, really I don't see a problem in recommending (for such a segment and budget ticket),

    Purchase the RX580 which is cheaper than a parallel GTX1060 and does not sacrifice in any way:

    Quote of coch

    If I, as a consumer, choose between them today, I prefer AMD Up to * 580. Above this, there is already 1070Ti then beyond

    1080Ti. Where there is no proper competition.

    Don't understand your argument, what reason should buy a RX580 that costs an average of 200-300 easier than GTX 1060 6G and gives the same performance plus minus.

  8. lompy,

    In light of the post of a nec forum member (just one post above you - scroll up and see), you are not being up to date on current RX580 prices,

    Which are cheaper than the GTX1060 prices, and you are probably still (inadvertently) referring to the inflated prices of the mining boom period from the beginning of the year.

    Right now, RX580 is the preferred choice, until… Vidaia will provide a parallel product at a better price. Her ball.

  9. Maybe that's the price on Amazon, not the parking in Israel.

    From what I see, the 1060 is still cheaper.

    Most people don't buy from Amazon.

  10. Why ?

    50 Watt Power Save per Hour - Is That What Will Break You ?!

    Calculate how much that is in late money, and double the actual hours expected to work with the card per year,

    And see how much it comes out. Undone and negligible.

    ** Here's a sticky calculation for your convenience to get a vector for a dialing area:

    Even if you need the card every day for two hours (not a rally but a hardware calculation - for a teenage boy who talks a lot to the computer)

    We are talking about 700 hours a year here. Which is about 35 kilowatts. At the price of 55 for kilowatts of electricity, we are talking about a little less than 20 per year.

    * In reality, M-and-C consumers are using a computer (in three-dimensional net work) much less than 700 hours per year.

    So the above calculation is a calculation that actually blocks the assessment above, and even through it, we all got NIS 20.

  11. So now that one card works when its core is on 65 degrees Celsius,

    And two at 75 degrees Celsius, and that's just the card feeling yes - not you in any way,

    So this is the problem?

    The car's engine heats thousands of times more, as does every single major consumer in the house, which is almost everyone.

    The claim that one card (whose core) reaches a few degrees Celsius higher is obviously charged for hours.

    Just like the argument - in the evening the leaves of the ficus tree reach a few degrees celcius,

    From the leaves of the orange tree, so it really bothers me (even my wife Regev) that they absorb more of the sun's energy,

    And emit less of it back into the environment.

    Anyone interested?

    I thought so…

  12. A card that gets less heated tends to last longer.

    Besides I probably feel it, no hot air time is thrown away from the computer in an effort and this is especially noticeable in non-ventilated rooms, such as dimensions.

  13. As for your first claim, this is not true in terms of engineering.

    Asic chip has no wear and tear - not at the levels that are in this context, and video cards are not going to die (when they go) because of the "heat" in which the chip itself works.

    The difference is in the heat, in the chip.

    Moreover heat does not interfere (for places where it is relevant to electronics) but rather thermal differences and stabilization time (so-called thermal market).

    Secondly, I am not at all sure that there is a gap, as it is possible that the RX580 heat sink has a better thermal evaporation capacity that compensates for the gap

    In the heat of the chip, so that in the end the chip itself is not hotter.

    What I have just come up with is that we have not mentioned before. We went straight out first (you and me - this is a common sin) from a point of departure,

    The RX chip is hotter. But it is a presumption that requires evidence before it is ever raised and will certainly agree.

    now,

    As for the ability to diagnose a thermal gap emitted from the chassis body, in my estimation you cannot diagnose, at least not the small gap between a card with TDP environments 150w

    To another card with 100w environments. I would conduct a blind test experiment to find out if you are able to diagnose it at the required level of significance.

    To today be able to diagnose a noticeable thermal gap in our chassis emitted, we probably needed a more serious card with 250-300w sizing

    And compare it with the 100 or 150w card. It's already a thermal doubling that will probably be felt.

    But on the flip side, I wonder what you are sitting at the chassis in the first place?

    Do you in your car also tend to grab the seat that is connected to the rear exhaust while directly breathing the engine's fumes?

    No ?

    Don't you?

    Well done - you have acted wisely.

    Try adopting the same approach on your computer as well - do not sit with your body feeling heat, directly in front of the computer's exterior ?

  14. Quote of coch

    I have no idea what you meant by the last reaction, so it's hard for me to respond. AMD Very relevant in the middle classes,

    Don't know what people see / don't see .. If they abandon and give less priority to it - we'll just lose.

    Ignoring everything in my previous response is from both companies. So it would be easier to show that if you put 580

    Facing 1060 - We are totally in competition. Their prices are not far off at all. It's the same layer.

    So what's better - they won't do anything this year? Or let's say, go to great lengths and give the audience these layers (580, 1060)

    More cards that squeeze them into the juice with a bit more performance / boosts - and suppose at very attractive prices?

    Is not that better than nothing? Let NV do its? Look at the picture beyond your pocket.


    If 580 is better for your game type and also cheaper then fun recommend it.

    I'll put my point somewhere else:
    - One of my considerations in choosing a product is the potential that buying it will increase competitiveness at some point so that in the future I will also benefit from it.
    - When I buy a product it is important for me to realize what I believe in, that I must look beyond my personal needs and it is appropriate to make a certain sacrifice for me in order to choose a product that I believe will be made for him or the company that produces it.

    The above 2 sentences, in my opinion, are misconceptions and wrong to consider (insert them into the system of considerations) when a private consumer comes to choose a video card.

    So what better to do with AMD? It is better to continue what I envision they are doing: only staying in the middle market does not invest large resources in their PC GPU division (AKA does another interpretation of the same reasonable architecture). This is a right step on their part as they have other much more spiritual areas where they have a practical advantage over the competition.
    And where is the gap? Their economic good comes against our consumer interest in GPU enthusiasts. It's not fun to see and hear and it offends the permissiveness and we pay the price. But that is the case and there is nothing to develop hopes or arguments for AMD. They are here to meet their investors' expectations and make profits rather than allowing you to buy cheaper products. They do not consider what will benefit you as a consumer, so there is no point in having the consumer do what is good with AMD.

  15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIpOx8YUXuU

    You can skip to the 8 minute where it shows a graph that the gap in power consumption while playing is 100 watts and not 50 as you uploaded.

    Not only does such a difference require the purchase of a stronger and more expensive supplier, it also emits much more heat.

    Quote of nec_000

    But on the flip side, I'm wondering - what are you sitting at the chassis in the first place?

    In your car, too, do you tend to grab the seat that is attached to the exhaust,

    While directly breathing the exhaust fumes of the engine?

    No ?

    You really do not?

    Well done - you have acted wisely.

    Try adopting the same approach on your computer as well - do not sit with your body feeling heat, directly in front of the computer's exterior ?

    Edited a day ago by 42 minutes

    Apparently you never played a few hours in a dimension without an air conditioner. The heat from the computer simply raises the temperature in the room.

    1. Yes, but if you wait a few more months and buy an AMD card then you save on winter heating! For example, my GTX1070 just doesn't deliver the goods, even when playing on the highest settings for hours in a row. And what about some pepper in life? Unlike the AMD cards, some of which simply refuse to come up with slightly more "older" computers, NVIDIA's cards just work ... boring!

  16. Hi good morning

    My disappointment at least from AMD during those two years was from vega cards and all the reasons - the promises, the delay, and ultimately - the cards themselves relative to their competitors. Filled with the fashionable delay, but they were too close in performance to the green in front of them.

    In the middle layer 470 and 480 were the beauty of cards. Those who caught up during the purchase received tickets in the area of ​​900-1000

    I'm talking about a year and a half ago? Say so. 500 cards were a certain difference? Squeeze a little more FPS? Okay acceptable also NV did it

    Previously.

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_580_gaming_x_review,6.html

    There are solutions that give you 580 in a heavy gaming effort in the 70 area. If you're in a warm, air-conditioned room in Israel - that's another problem .. 1060 won't help,

    In general, you will upgrade yourself to an air conditioner and you will be able to sit for hours on end. Today I am already

    Can't do without in the summer months if it's in the hours of no air.

  17. Quote of coch

    My disappointment at least from AMD During those two years she had cards vega And all the reasons around - the promises, the delay, and ultimately - the cards themselves in relation to their competitors. Filled with the fashionable delay, but they were too close in performance to the green in front of them.

    Agree, but the main problem with VEGA is the price. The HBM2 memories are ripping up the card in such a way that it just can't compete with Nvidia's cards

    Quote of coch

    Yes 1060 excels effectively. But it comes to you with less ram and most games (with Drivers Of today) - it lags behind performance

    580 on average

    Don't know how much extra RAM really helps here, maybe if games are on 2K and I also doubt, in FHD I'm pretty sure it does not affect.

    I'm also not sure I agree with you on the performance. Here's the comparison of 27 Games Steve did weeks ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9lySsrYcw

    There is a summary graph in 6: 10, he found that 1060 is fast at 3% on average. And you can see that it really depends on which game you compare.

    There are games that 580 leads and there are games that 1060 leads.

    Regarding power, the bottom line is two - 2 cards, same performance, same price (and depending on where), difference in 100 watt power consumption.

    I do not understand what should be discussed here.

    Another 100W is another heat that needs to go where it is, it goes into the room or into the chassis and heats the processor and the VRAM.

    Any argument about how critical this is is not important, nothing good can come out of that card needing another 100 wat effort, just bad.

  18. AMD is not able to compete in the top market NV without taking a big gamble at the expense of their other products so they'd better not try. That's what I say in terms of keeping competitiveness. If they take unnecessary risk and fall - the company will collapse and then lose much more than the current situation.
    They can compete with Intel in the CPU, control the consoles unambiguously and have attractive products in the middle market and below.
    580 is a beauty product and 680 will replace it and will be the same except for frequencies that will also do the trick.

    I do not go into the muddy wars of some greedy society, manipulate, mislead, and confuse the public. They're all the same shit.
    I also do not pretend to buy or recommend a product because it might benefit market competitiveness (this is a misconception of a capitalist market). There are so many more powerful forces than a handful of good-willed consumers (see virtual money) that can devour all the altruistic cards and considerations in the moment.
    Therefore, I objectively approach the issue and can recommend AMD or NV individually cleanly from irrelevant considerations.

  19. Quote of omertgm

    Not able to compete in the top market NV without taking a big gamble at the expense of their other products so it is better for them not to try.

    The thing is that I'm not even sure they can compete with them on the MID market.

    Even if we just say that 1060 is competing with 580, what will it be in another few months, when Noida will issue a new MID card (say 1160) that will be as powerful as the 1070, if not more.

  20. Quote of lompy

    The thing is that I'm not even sure they can compete with them on the MID market.

    Even if we just say that 1060 is competing with 580, what will it be in another few months, when Noida will issue a new MID card (say 1160) that will be as powerful as the 1070, if not more.

    They can compete with them for the price and offer attractive packages with games and other gimmicks. Ripening 12 / 14 nm manufacturing processes together with a third generation of the same architecture that covered all development costs long ago is very cheap compared to what it was two years ago. But it all depends on the virtual money world (at least during this period we happen to calm down and return to some sane level).

  21. The gtx 1060 is set to 120W TDP.

    The 580 rx is set to 185W TDP.

    In general, it is advisable to read and see what the state of the TDP is, in CPUs such as Intel and AMD do not define the same.

    In addition to the temperature differences that affect the soldering in the board, the electrolyte capacitors are affected by the temperature. The rule of thumb that each download of 10 increases the life of the capacitor. If a high quality capacitor is defined as 5000 hours at 105, the card is unlikely to malfunction due to the capacitor, In 2000 degrees will inevitably spoil faster, it also depends on the current flowing in it, even at temperature etc., say the capacitor will work at about 85 degrees, 75 * 5000 = 2 hours.

    Get 85 / 2000 2000 * 2 4000 hours.

    In short, designing components and cooling should not be a problem to make a card that will survive for over 5 years. Fan chassis always helps. The advantage of a card that requires less electricity is that it is easier to design such a card and it is likely that the card rules will suffer from less warming problems, an extreme example was the AMD's 290 which, with a blower cooling, made a lot of heating and clocking problems and was noisy. For the same reason, simply make a quieter card, obviously, even if an 250W card can be made quieter, it requires more energy from the manufacturers. In short, on average, all low-power card manufacturers will be quieter, sometimes even with low-power low-blower cards, in poorly ventilated enclosures a better blower card than a different cooling card.

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