AMD unveils the Radeon VII - a graphics card that will try to slow down the Geforce RTX

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Power of Radeon For the first time, it reaches the levels that presented graphics cards such as GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 with The new VII - the first ever in the 7 nanometer

More at the event of At the CES 2019 conference: The VEGA core we have known at 2017 receives a contraction of 7 nm and technical reinforcement to meet the needs of gamers and content creators who need more and want to go for .

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The VEGA core is one of the most controversial issues that AMD has ever launched, at least when it comes to video cards for gamers, with Vega 64 and Vega 56, which are pretty good video cards, but slightly too expensive and a bit too late. The 10 GTX Series Cast a heavy shadow on their sales with high electrical efficiency and great performance.

Here comes a promo video in surprise after Lisa Sue, director Clarifies how gaming is growing and there is demand.

God- VII (or 7 Preferred) is the first consumer video card manufactured in the process of 7 Nanometers Factory .


This video card has some very interesting technical features, when Does not give up the use of the Dear and put 16GB away on this video card. The volume of memory traffic is 1024GB per second, which is considered the fastest in the market.

When it comes to gaming performance, it ensures Provide a similar user experience that will be received today by a RTX 2080 user, a start-up video card of 800 dollars. The improvements look pretty good compared to 64, but the earth remained calm and did not tremble.

There's also a glimpse of productivity, where we've got some nice improvements on my face 64 in a variety of programs, some of which are possible by increasing the amount of memory from 8GB to 16GB.

Such a video card is not cheap to create, and dedicated users know it. Has chosen to price the ticket at 699 USD, 2080 to create pressure and competition.

We do not know how you will react With such a move, since it may not be so threatening to its sales. Also, the graphics cards it still produces in the process of 12 nanometers bring pretty good results. If you decide to go down to 7, the image will look slightly different . This video card was released on February 7 market and it is hard to know how popular it will be. We maintain that apart from the existing Vega acceleration plans Also its next architecture.



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Yosef Haim
Yosef Haim

How does AMD launch a video card in 7nm and 16GB and is less good than 2080TI, what is missing?

1stcowgirl
1stcowgirl

It is not clear to me why you think they deserve to compete against NVIDIA with such a card?
A card that is compared to a 2 year old card or more ...?
It is better to purchase 1080TI by 2 hand and work with it for at least another two years.

smootskin
smootskin

AMD is always behind ... After they took out the last cards that somehow faced the 1060 (two years after the market) I'm not surprised they're still behind.

For 100 less dollars I will not invest in an AMD card, let alone the last card I had with angular graphics problems, do not see any reason to purchase AMD

Yosef Haim
Yosef Haim

What is missing in the card itself, the architecture is weak relative to the competitor?

omertgm
omertgm
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What is missing in the card itself, the architecture is weak relative to the competitor?

An outdated and ineffective architecture that must be pushed to the extreme (raising tensions) to achieve reasonable performance in relation to competition. Therefore, electricity consumption is so high even though it is a very advanced production process. AMD are years back from NV.
They do not have the resources or will to invest in the development of the GPU. Therefore, there is no reason to pin hopes for a change in the market situation. Even in the price bracket that was their strong point, they are leveling NV line up.
The insistence (probably not voluntary of these necessities) to stay with HBM2 and put an exaggerated 16GB from it again shows that nothing has changed in their perception.
The gaming market is their second priority if not third (after CPU and consoles).

none77
none77

in brief.

They did not make us here ryzen.

Yaron
Yaron

That even the rhizome shit

Ea80
Ea80

The Reisen not shit in fact this year is passed the 9900K has recorded proof

k534d
k534d

Did not surprise anyone :(

Gico
Gico

What about the middle market and the budget market? Competing for 2060 and 2070?

Did they say what to expect, and when?

Gico
Gico

I do not think in terms of "deserve" or "do not deserve it."

Emotions in buying hardware I left behind when I stopped being a tinejerit that never happened because I'm a man ....

99% of the second hand market is not relevant to me because I need a tax invoice.

coch
coch

For those interested in knowing exactly what it means :

AMD continues with the precious memories of HBM and had to switch to 7nm to give us a performance video card,

Sort with 1080Ti. Far from being a positive thing but also not surprising. Maybe the card will suit the aliens beyond the gaming market.

Its price tag may lower the RTX cards that it is relevant and turn it into a shelf product for gamers who will skip it.

smootskin
smootskin

I'm pretty sure Nvidia is going out with what they have in hand and who stands in front of them, AMD does not move them with such a price tag.

TheHwGeek
TheHwGeek

Is there a situation where 2080 will experience FPS falls due to the 8GB limit? Because there are already games that use 8GB in 4K and then maybe VEGA7 will give a smoother experience (in the field of 0.1% / 1%)? I was disappointed that the replacement of 1080TI was reduced to 8GB memory only and therefore in the near future will limit 4K.

Yaron
Yaron

There is an 4k that takes 8 a member that depends on the file but with the miserable speeds of the AMI it is better to cry

אלכס
אלכס

I'm still waiting for a screen shot that promised us that 15 will be stronger than Vega 64 and will cost almost half ($ 250) ...

https://hwzone.co.il/main-computers/%D7%91%D7%95%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%95-%D7%94%D7%9D-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%99-%D7%94/

Instead they brought a card that is barely 30% stronger than it, but costs almost as much as 2 ...

TheHwGeek
TheHwGeek

I have already posted that there is a ticket for 1440P at an excellent price and it will be launched with the Risen. You will use GURU3D, which signed various NDAs in the field that received a "tip".

It seems to me that in the meantime, they do not want to interfere with the elimination of the VNAME inventory 64 / 56, and then NAVI will come to take its place in price / performance.
The gamers only need to keep their fingers crossed because the minning will not come back because only for Atrium will the new Vega be kidnapped, thanks to the vast bandwidth of memory it has.

Yaron
Yaron

Wrong that shit

Ea80
Ea80

What do our brothers NV pay you money? Or are you an 10 son ???? We got it ... Shit ... Come on and I'm not a fan of anyone and I'm not paid, I said enough times It annoys me that people talk like little kids and things are true to reality ... NV has produced great cards for AMD that are behind in the field. Intel's processors are no longer attractive and certainly not better than Intel's is all!

omertgm
omertgm
Quote of TheHwGeek

Is there a situation where 2080 will experience FPS falls due to the 8GB limit? Because there are already games that use 8GB in 4K and then maybe VEGA7 will give a smoother experience (in the field of 0.1% / 1%)? I was disappointed that the 1080TI replacement was cut to 8GB זיכרון Only so in the near future will limit in 4K.

There is no memory problem with video cards with 8GB or higher. Not even in 4K.

It is that there is no exploitation of attesting to the need for an induction of memory and makes every card as much as it can.
To bring an exceptional example testifies precisely to this - neither the general nor the close.

nec_000
nec_000

I can not see the boom again.

Bubbles in history show that they do not repeat themselves in the same field again, and certainly not in a short time.

To ensure that this does not happen is impossible, but the probability of this is statistically small.

The main reason that pyramids do not repeat themselves in the same area within a short time,

Is because the traumatized trauma among those who entered the bubble and the severe blow they sustained, remained burnt for many years.

In fact, a new generation must come, who did not know his predecessor, a generation that was not burned, in order to repeat the mistake of the previous generation.

We are probably talking about 20 year at least breathing space, in terms of order of magnitude to be addressed.

In the world millions literally lost their underpants in that krypot and all directions,

They are dry investors, and they are wet miners.

In fact I do not know of direct acquaintance and not one who did anything about it. Everyone lost only a few question.

Yaron
Yaron

Add to the pile of crumbs of this poor company Oh, we did not steal video cards Oy our tickets without problems Heat Oy 64 will not shut down after using a few hours of danger when this company will give competition to any company

Yaron
Yaron

That it would not be terrible

nec_000
nec_000

What is this guest Yaron who enters the thread out of nowhere and "spam" the thread?

Lior Metata - Clean Up ...

TheHwGeek
TheHwGeek

Something strange, at first it was claimed that the new card contains 128 ROPS but now it turns out that it will stay on the 64 as in the original Vega, so how did AMD achieve the improvement in performance compared to the Vagina? Because the new Vega is only with 60CU compared to 64 in Vega, so all that is left is an addition to the frequency and the doubling of the bandwidth to memory, does memory affect that much? Because RTX also does not disturb 500GB / S.

https://twitter.com/RyanSmithAT/status/1083876562238201857

omertgm
omertgm

This is a card that has been launched before 3 for months and named Instinct MI50, Just added video outputs to fit as a video card and not just as a calculation unit. Everything else is the same.
A product that continues the failed VEGA tradition of wrapping a card that is not intended for games at all and marketing it as such.

AMD did the minimum necessary to present something "new", almost a spit in my face for my taste. His entire advertising line is "First with 7NM and the first with 16GB 2HBM". It is really nothing to be proud of in light of what they provide, on the contrary. These are 2 things given to AMD from "sky" and have no part in their development - there is no innovation here from AMD. Only the assimilation of external technology.


There was some added value, even some refreshing experience or direction (like DLSS), but there's nothing here. More simply than the same, as usual. Performance is improved by pushing the card to the edge of its envelope so that a more advanced 7NM card needs more power to compare performance with the 12NM 2080 card, AMD's standard ritual in recent years. Redundant volume that reduces profits, does not contribute to performance, and prevents competitive pricing.
The only thing that AMD has been leading over the years - cost-benefit ratio - no longer exists and they line up with NV. No longer trying to create competition - just stay in the race at any price.

Once NV has refreshed its consumer product range with 7NM, the performance gap will return to 100-80% between 2 companies (between VEGA64 and 2080TI) 85% difference For the same manufacturing process).

There are those who will say that after this launch there is more selection and competition in this segment - my opinion is that it is a big step backward in terms of competition. It just shows how much AMD is not in the market and that it's fine. They're a commercial company committed to shareholders, not consumers, and certainly not gamers.
It's a pity that there are no better alternatives in this semi-monopolistic market. The choice is who is less bad. At least until Intel enters the game.

Ea80
Ea80

I'm not so interested in RT, but I thought that at the end of the day, the 4K card seems to be competing with the flag of the Greens at a more normal price. I admit I was disappointed, we'll see what they'll bring with Nawi, even though I'm sure it will not be suitable for 4K. Time and nothing else ... Lisa explicitly said that they do consider gamers ... Today you can not tell who is lying and who is not and if it's only players in the middle ... I personally will probably have to buy 1080TI and what it does not feel like we wait until March we will see what will be

Eyal
Eyal

Why do their video cards look all the time like it's something they bought in Bali Express ..

coch
coch
Quote of omertgm

There is no memory problem with video cards with 8GB or higher. Not even at4k.

The fact that there is exploitation does not indicate anything about the need-of-induction זיכרון Makes every card as much as it can.
To bring an exceptional example testifies precisely to this - neither the general nor the close.


Usually there are signs out there for something new, so you also get hit by these things. 16GB Memory of V7nm This is the first hint.

They are long working on the hardware of next-generation consoles, this among other things precursors that there is a great chance to see using 8GB in fun

In the years 2019-2020. I think we're definitely going through the 6GB barrier this year, but that's not usually the FHD.

That's why anyone who buys now .. 1080Ti is so relevant .. I'm even considering bringing one and get rid of my 1070 just to reserve

The next 3-4 years.

omertgm
omertgm
Quote of coch


Usually there are signs out there for something new, so you also get hit by these things. 16GB memory V7nm's first hint.

They are long working on the hardware of next-generation consoles, this among other things precursors that there is a great chance to see using 8GB in fun

In the years 2019-2020. I think we're definitely going through the 6GB barrier this year, but that's not usually the FHD.

That's why anyone who buys now .. 1080Ti is so relevant .. I'm even considering bringing one and get rid of my 1070 just to reserve

The next 3-5 years.

To think about the next point: This is a market whose purpose is to make profits. The more you sell / upgrade a card the more often there are more profits.
How do you "promote" an upgrade?
A - Make the consumer understand that he must play on any maximum settings in order to enjoy the game. Whether it's HD texture maps that require memory, high resolution, high refresh rate, excessive AA or other features such as RT. If your card is not capable of it - you do not really enjoy the game.
In developing the games so that the blink for all of the above will rise regularly to be the sales promoter of the next card There is a very high synergy between the keys to the hardware manufacturers and not the case They feed each other at the expense of the consumer With some work accurately fine tuned the effect So that you feel that "My card is no longer strong enough" will come at the desired time.

This is reality.

The average consumer has full control over what A - what would be considered a reasonable graphics definition for him. He has no control over B.

To say "this situation is given nothing to do" is to force yourself to buy a ticket every year and a half or always be feeling missed. This is also not true - there is something to be done. You can easily change settings and understand that this is not what determines the fun of the game. It has a weight but not as decisive as one tends to. Simply compromising settings and not being "worked" in the industry of upgrades.

From experience, they enjoy it even more than the game.

My point, if you have a card with 8GB is quite unnecessary to run and upgrade to 11GB. Probably not because of "because there are signs out there for something new." Of course there will be signs - this is deliberate and structured by the industry so you will feel exactly the need to upgrade.

coch
coch

I will be a bit blunt, because I allow myself to tell the truth to such distinguished friends as

nec_000

The reason for the warranty for a new product is in response to the case of a "manufacturing failure," which naturally comes only after

That the product had passed its first baptism of fire. Such as purchasing an electric circuit that works the first few hours

So he was examined at the factory gates, looked right on his face - because he did not die during the solitary check that the product had been run in the factory,

And therefore packaged in a package that goes into the markets. But the failure in that product will only be revealed after a while ... say at the 20 time of his work ....

Most of the equipment failures of the type discussed are revealed in the first days / weeks / months of operation.

And if the product has survived the same period without problems - the product in principle without failure / defect in production, and from this point and you will survive for a long time.

Once purchasers are used after such initial period,

In fact, he has already passed the proof of good health, because he passed the first year on the road - that's his long QC

When he worked in the home of the first buyer. From this point I have the chance to fall down on a scale, so the responsibility is small.

Those who buy new and pay where 2 according to 3 order of magnitude only because of the "responsibility" and the peace of mind it gives him,

Editing error due to lack of statistical knowledge in the industry. He actually misses the essence for which the original responsibility was born,

And that this is very important for a virgin product whose reliability has not yet been proven. Remember that the factory checked it for only a few minutes to an hour

Order of magnitude - this is a basic QC procedure only.

In the used product as stated, the proof of its propriety (due to the long QC that passed at the first purchaser's house) already exists

Proved itself to be faulty, and therefore the importance of responsibility fell dramatically.

What is the practical meaning - or how it is expressed:

If we take a heap of (many) new cards, as opposed to a stack of equal size of used cards (say year-olds who worked for a duration

The same year), the reliability of the used will be statistically higher - meaning that fewer of them will die down the road.

This is due to the fact that the defects in the same year-old pile were already remembered during the first year of their operation (a long QC process).

Moreover, even if someone insists on responsibility anyway, and this is the only reason he acquires a new one (and for no other reason)

You need to know that the percentage of the fall in the field (video cards, for example) converges to the 4% of the basic rough order.

In other words, in order to properly represent the value of the liability in a statistical manner (according to which to determine the insurance premium for a product with liability)

This should have been 4% of the value of the product, and certainly not in values ​​that are 2 or 3 (200-300%).

This is already an excessive and exaggerated premium.

It would have been better to buy a new one at a triple price, 3 used cards so that we would have an alternative shelf in case the first one went bad.

This has been higher reliability than a single card (even if it is new).

coch
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I'll try to shorten it because it's already a matter of taste and smell and an almost philosophical discussion: You said nicely - you do not have to upgrade, you want to.
It is clear to you that there is no real need here - not lack of graphic memory is the reason for upgrading, is the maximum excuse. It's just like that and you can.

That is not accurate. I said already, there are opportunities that sometimes you should consider. It is possible that in a particular difference for which I am negligible I resolve myself

From an existing video card and another. If we look at the whole period that is about 6 years (the time I had the 1070 until the sale, + the time I hold

We're talking about losing 1080, say 1070-500, depending on what I chose and which buyer I found in second hand.

The deal is not only because I can, but highly calculated to accommodate future needs and lose the difference that is negligible for me.

Quote of omertgm

I personally buy a ticket once in 5 years or so (now with 970GTX, before with 560TI and before it with 8800GT). With the current I will stay a few more years until the screen will probably change.

ONE WILL ATTRACT 5 YEARS, OTHER 7 YEARS, I 3-4 YEARS AND SO ON. Does anyone lose more than the other? Absolutely not, it's totally relative! Of course, assuming they talk

About people with basic knowledge and above, like us. It is possible that if you did not have everything that was with 1000 cards and there was no possibility at all to buy tickets like the Ti

At such second hand prices, I would pull another two to three years with the current card, which is a realistic option even now. I do not sell him for now, unless

Yes I will see an opportunity.

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What bothers you is that people find excuses that are not relevant to what to buy when the real reason is that they are unaware (or simply hiding) that they are trying to buy a feeling, not just a product. This is of course impractical and drags on the spoils of misunderstandings.

Buying a "feeling" is an inseparable part of being a person, especially in purchasing products that you use for leisure / luxury / hobby. You can be a person

More calculated / cold (for the better) that adds less emotion to the purchase, but there is nothing bad here that a person acquires something with emotion if it is not a hundred percent emotion.

Part of the package.

Ea80
Ea80
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Remember that I said that the representative of DEVISION2 who flew all the way from Sweden to appear a minute in the declaration of I HAVE D- said he was pleased to announce that the game would support all new technologies Radeon 7 and immediately Lisa Su interrupted him?

So there is more news from the representative of I HAVE D Which claims that the new card supports DirectML-Machine Learning (ML) extension to DirectX !:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_radeon_vii_supports_directml_-_an_alternative_to_dlss/1

Note that WINML will use FP16 to improve performance, as everyone knows that the new NV's silicones are excellent at this end, but the Pascal generation offers only 1 / 64 from FP32 performance!

While VEGA offers 2 times, which is above 25,166 GFLOPS and the Polaris generation offer an 1 ratio: 1 that's just above the 6000 GFLOPS!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12549/microsoft-windows-machine-learning-for-gaming

Then it seems that finally the amount of processing power of cards I HAVE D Going to be exploited while the Pascal generation will sink in comparison with the generation of the Touring !.

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It will not help me ... I realized that there will be a thousand 5 for the whole world so that even with the technology at the moment it does not help :) Certainly not to consumers here in Israel

coch
coch
Ea80
Ea80
Quote of coch

I do not know why I believed this nonsense of 5000 cards ... Which company on the scale of AMD will produce such cards that will barely tickle them in terms of profitability (3 mil gross areas) ashamed of what I said above admits :(

TheHwGeek
TheHwGeek

אני תוהה לעצמי XCHARX אם זה אכן MI50 שכבר היה בייצור וAMD פשוט החליטה לשווק בהזדמנות ככרטיס גימינג, האם זה MI50 באמת עם איכות PCB ורכיבים של הכרטיס המקורי? כלומר בהתבסס על העובדה שזה הכרטיס רפרנס מAMD עצמה ואולי רק החליו את הביוס/הוסיפו נגד או שתיים לנעילת הפיצרים המיוחדים+ ביוס של RADEON? כי אם ככה זה גם נישמע מעניין לצרכן המקצועי.

Jabberwock
Jabberwock
Quote of TheHwGeek

שימו לב לכתבה שפורסמה בANANDTECH, שם ניטען שWINML ישתמש בFP16 לשיפור הביצועים

Can but does not have to. The technology is also available in FP32, and if FP16 does not work, it certainly will not hurt.